The controversy surrounding the potential world-record Johnny King Buck just got a lot more interesting.
After Deer & Deer Hunting broke Duncan Dobie’s story about the dispute surrounding the Johnny King Buck, Boone & Crockett Club officials issued a statement saying they believed the buck was a nontypical because the buck’s right "G3" was offset from the main line of the main beam.
In a statement posted today on its website, B&C now claims the right antler does not a have G3, but "an abnormal point that rises off of the G2."
Confused? You’re not alone.
In an interview with D&DH this afternoon, 30-year certified B&C scorer Ron Boucher said he thinks the club is wrestling with its worst scoring problem in 35 years — and is going about it the wrong way.
"I still believe strongly in what the Boone and Crockett Club stands for, but I just believe Jack Reneau is wrong on this deer — using the words of the official measurer’s manual," said Boucher.
He also had strong words for many of the individuals who have posted comments on blogs, forums and article links.
"These people claim to be experts on scoring, but they are expressing opinions without ever having held the rack and scored it themselves. They simply don’t know what they’re talking about," Boucher said. "The point does not come off of the G-2. You cannot determine that from a photo. You have to put your hands on the rack. It is a common base-point [has the Figure-8 at the base line]. You ask any scorer who has actually put his hands on this rack, put masking tape to it and a straight edge, and 95 percent of them will tell you it passes the Figure 8 test as described in the Boone and Crockett scorer’s manual … and that it is a straight 6-by-6 typical all the way."
In its online article, B&C went on to state, "… it makes more sense to enter this deer as a non-typical at a score of roughly 217 points. However, this deer should end up being ranked among the top non-typicals of all-time from the book-dominating state of Wisconsin."
Boucher scoffed at that notion. "That is absolutely absurd," he said. "To say this is a 217-inch nontypical, you’re going to look ridiculous. Furthermore, there are probably more than two dozen deer from Wisconsin that netted more than 217."
Boucher is not the only prominent B&C scorer or whitetail expert who has handled the rack and expressed opinions that it should be scored as a typical or, at a minimum, be called in for a panel-scoring session. Others who have actually scored the rack include Marlin Laidlaw, Herm Feller and John Ramsey of the Wisconsin Buck & Bear Club, and Mike Handley of Buckmasters. Gordon Whittington of North American Whitetail has also inspected the rack on several occasions and has made recent statements that he believes it qualifies as a typical and should be panel-scored.
Click here to read the entire King Buck story from the beginning.
All of this controversy over the King buck may have alot to do with why Rompola wouldn’t let B.C. score his buck, something to think about. Just sayin.
Its seems to me that that the King Buck is long over do for a promotion, And that an investigation should be conducted to the scorer, And if need be to get rid of the one who is in charge
Growing up in a house where integrity means everything it is so sad to see scum dirty organizations and drag down others including them in their dirty work. This is obviously the case and so sad to see because the whole BC club will probably go under for this because they’ve shown the public they can’t score any buck without bias and dishonesty. It makes me wonder how many other cases like this there have been, maybe not as large scale like for the title but never brought to light. How can an organization that is supposed to be the authority on what a deer will score and what records will be held even make these decisions when they are not honest enough to do it right? They are supposed to be the authority, unbiased, and trustworthy. When they say what a buck scores their word is supposed to be everything here. They’ve ruined the whole program by not sticking to these fundamentals. Even if they were to some day panel score this buck it will never be an unbiased opinion because the nice animal has had way too much spotlight for this and opinions have already been formed. Even the pressure of Renue and keeping the "reputation" of BC will ruin the panel scoring. Once upon a time this "club" was set up by honest people honestly wanting to see what quality of animals there were out there. Now a few men drug the whole thing through the dirt and their scores and opinions now don’t mean a thing to the public!! Even if they score this buck a typical no one will trust them on the value given or if it’s a non typical no one will give credit to that decision no matter how much they’ve tried to be "honest" in their decision. It looks like BC will go under and they should because of the situation they crapped themselves into. I sure hope that what needs to be done can happen and that a better organization will be set up with more thought put into the scoring rules.
One mans ego needs to gst over he was wrong and stop trying to bull shit the people,Jack Reneau needs to get over his shelf and just say it (I Was Wrong on this one ) it happens this is making the B&C look like a bunch of @#@-#$@% MR Ego Get over your shelf !!!!!!!!
Shame on you JackReneau! Jack is running the B&C train right off a cliff because he cannot admit he is wrong and it is taking B&C down. Boycott B&C and withdraw all your entries in the book!
At this point, I’ve got to believe it’s gone beyond Jack Renau. If they don’t do nothing about it it’s on BC as whole. They all must now about it by now.
What a shame. B&C better change its stance on this buck before it’s too late. Jack Reneau is single handily going to wreck B&C’s legacy forever.
It’s a shame what one mans ego and arrogance can do to an organization. Single handed he is going to destroy all that was good about B & C just because he cannot swallow his damn pride and let this rack be panel scored !! This rack is the very reason why B&C requires a panel scoreing on any rack that will possibly land in the top 10 of any catagory if I remember correctly. God forbid Mr. Renau some of your peers might disagree with you and accept the King deer as a typical when you think otherwise !!! I honestly believe there is a bigger reason as to why Renau doesn’t want this deer to be number one. Mitch Rompola could then claim to have the New World Record again and there’s nothing poor Milo Hanson and B&C could do about it. I for one will never again buy anything from B&C and I’m removing myself from there mailing list ASAP !! There system is flawed anyway. How you can give any animal credit for air between the antlers is completed BS in my opinion !! Congratulations Mr. King on a once in a lifetime deer no matter what Mr. Ego himself thinks !!! TM
Jack Reneanu needs to be replace to keep B&C its name. They have been scoring antlers for years and one guy is leaving a stink for the whole club.
Just goes to show what someone in a supposed "position" will do to the common man…I am not of any "importance" but to myself…at least I have honesty and integrity. Admit it if you are wrong. Grats to the hunter of this fine animal.
Great reading – - Nobody should be in a position of absolute power over a decision so important to so many. Yes, the dummy painted himself into a corner and its time to step down. I’ll be the first one to donate toward a legal defense of this buck!
Just let me know.
I guess if you shoot a buck that is that big you should demand a panel scoring before you let anybody put a tape on it!
Nobody should be in a position of absolute power over a decision so important to so many. I’ll be the first one to donate toward a legal defense of this buck!
Just let me know.
I am sorry but who really cares you have the rack, the memory, the story. If anything the controversy only adds to it, which maybe why they are pressing the issue. I hunt for myself, the enjoyment of nature, the thrill of the chase, not what will it score. After all it is a blessing from God anyhow.
B&C stepped on their wee wee and now they are back peddling. As sportsman if we keep the pressure on B&C eventually they will do the right thing. Too bad Mr. Renau will not speak up himself and let this be panel scored. Too bad he cannot let this be about the sport instead of being about him. He needs to step aside in this issue, withdraw his scoring and let the scoring start over again. I have not held this rack and likely never will, but I have seen a rack or two and this is a ‘typcial’ rack.
Russell, you may not be able to image our justice system being run this way but to tell you the truth it is. The problem is that we as a country in general has become corrupted and have lost our way. We need to get back to our roots and stand our ground on the principles of fairness and honesty. Congrates to the hunter of the magnificiant deer. Don’t back down and fight for your right to have this panel scored. I have never had the opportunity to see much less harvest such a fine animal and you and the animal deserve the the benefit of an unbias scoring. Good luck and thanks D&DH for keeping this out in the limelight.
This whole deal show that my experience with B&C 30 years was not an abnormal incident. The pompous, self serving attitudes I encountered are very much alive in Jack Reneau and the board. These dim wits don’t seem to see the damage they are inflicting on hunting. I think the time has come for the B&C to go away.
WOW mutiny on bounty! Listen up Jack Reneau your public is speaking. Tough job to have if your doing wrong.
I made a comment on May 20, 2011, and with this latest news B&C has done nothing to change my mind. Sadly, it appears that Mr. Reneau has allowed ego and politics to stop him from adhering to the following credo,"God, grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change – Courage to change the things I can, and Wisdom to know the difference." This controversy easily and logically could be solved by having a bona fide unbiased panel to score this buck. My estimation and admiration of B&C continues to wane.
I have taken a lot of deer in my lifetime and I am sure they are records and this is why the BC will never touch a deer of mine!