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RE: BuckMasters??

Postby EatDeer » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:14 am

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Jackie does have it pretty rough . He goes  to a game ranch / farm that the owner has scouted and put stands up on a hot trail so Jackie only has to sit for a couple hours to shoot a buck coming down that trail . I have never seen Bushman shoot a doe . How many archers wouldn't be capable of doing the same thing ? I havn't watched his show in a few years .
But like someone said earlier , he a good salesperson . All that takes is a good line of BS . [8|] 
I've seen JB shoot doe's on tv before, and I didn't know it was so easy to set-up on a hot trail, and shoot 40 booners. You'd think anyone could do that, even fast-eddie, who would have thought? I also bet JB hasn't ever hunted without a guide or outfitter on his  personal hunting leases.....GIVE IT UP...the man has been hunting deer for 30 plus years. Talk about antler illness, you guys got it big time!   
 
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RE: BuckMasters??

Postby fasteddie » Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:17 am

ORIGINAL: EatDeer

ORIGINAL: fasteddie

Jackie does have it pretty rough . He goes  to a game ranch / farm that the owner has scouted and put stands up on a hot trail so Jackie only has to sit for a couple hours to shoot a buck coming down that trail . I have never seen Bushman shoot a doe . How many archers wouldn't be capable of doing the same thing ? I havn't watched his show in a few years .
But like someone said earlier , he a good salesperson . All that takes is a good line of BS . [8|] 
I've seen JB shoot doe's on tv before, and I didn't know it was so easy to set-up on a hot trail, and shoot 40 booners. You'd think anyone could do that, even fast-eddie, who would have thought? I also bet JB hasn't ever hunted without a guide or outfitter on his  personal hunting leases.....GIVE IT UP...the man has been hunting deer for 30 plus years. Talk about antler illness, you guys got it big time!   

 
I'll tell you what EatDeer ....... no matter how much you stick up for JB , he's not gonna let you be on one of his shoots ! [8|]..........[:)][:)]
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RE: BuckMasters??

Postby vipermann7 » Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:14 am

To reply the very first post that started this thread, I had the same thing happen to me. I didnt even join, I just entered a sweepstakes and I got calls non stop for two years, even after repeated times telling them I was not interested in joining. They are persistent.

To throw my two cents in about the debate over TV pro hunters that has spun off here, I think there is a mix of difficulty with some of the shows. Take for example a guy like Roger Raglin. He does some shows from outfitters, but he also does a good deal of shows on public land, or he drives around an area and will tape on some private leases he gets permission to hunt. So he is one example of the end of the stick who does try to get out hunt it like the rest of us.
On the other end you have the shows taped at outfitters, which does seem to be a majority of the shows these days. I too find it funny how they talk about all the hard work they did, and it's true, there is work involved. it is still hunting, there is no guarantee they will shoot a deer. They do however have the luxury of being on managed land that has been thoroughly scouted by someone else. So a lot of work is done for them. But they do put in some long hours in the stand, they drive hundreds of miles a week, they have two guys to hide in a stand, two guys stinking up the woods, the camera has to get the shot or they dont take it, they need pre-shot footage, and they have to start hunting in the morning late and quit early in the evening because they loose camera light before they lose shooting light. So they do have their challenges, though they are much different challenges than the rest of us face each season.
There are some shows I really don't like, because some of them really do go overboard on only shooting huge bucks. It's what makes more entertaining TV, so in a sense they are a slave to their job, but some of them also do seem pretty spoiled to be going around shooting several B&C bucks every season. Sure, I wouldnt mind watching them shoot some does, but I'm guessing the marketing research tells them that does don't make good entertainment. They shoot big bucks for a reason, and I'm sure that reason is that most polls show that people want to see big bucks, otherwise they wouldn't hit it so hardcore. It's all entertainment, they have shows because we watch them, and because some of them are just plain good salespeople who are great at getting sponsors. I dont personally like all of them, and so I dont watch the ones I dont like. Beyond that, there isn't a whole lot to do.

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RE: BuckMasters??

Postby Woods Walker » Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:07 am

viper: What you say is true, but it IS their choice; just as you or I can choose not to watch it.
 
The only thing that I would add, is that how do we know that they DON'T film these hunts on fenced in game farms? Just because they say or imply so?  I know that not all of them are, but I can't believe that with all the inherent stated difficulties and the pressure to produce footage that it's never happened.
 
I know that obviously a lot of hunters like watching antler porn, based on the popularity of these shows and some folks' defense of them, but I would much rather watch an expert do shows on off season scounting....for example like the current topic we had here on another thread about finding hidden funnels.  A whole series of shows could be done on just teaching the basics of habitat types and native forage identification. You know, the "REAL" part of the hunt, not just the "money shot", if I may be so blunt.
 
Your average hunter would benefit SO much more from actually learning things about deer and the world they thrive in than watching some clown shooting them.
 
If you did want to use footage of someone making kill shots, then at least use the footage as tutorial on things such as:
 
1. Deer "body language" before, after, and during the shot. Knowing when to shoot is probably one of the more difficult things that a novice hunter, especially a bowhunter, must learn.
 
2. Shot angles, for both ground shots, and from elevated positions. If a novice hunter shoots at 3D targets all year in preparation for a bow hunt, and is then presented with a severe quartering away shot on a live deer and aims for the 12 ring like he did on a 3D target, he's going to have quite a tracking job on his hands.  I hear of this happening all the time, and there's no reason for it.
 
Watching some guy go on a tour of the best places to hunt deer in America so we can Oooo, and Ahhhh, at his trophies does nothing to help a beginner.
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RE: BuckMasters??

Postby speakerboxx » Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:29 am

hunters like watching antler porn
   
 
-Antler Porn... lmao [:)][:D]  

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RE: BuckMasters??

Postby fasteddie » Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:41 am

Good deal WoodsWalker .......... I'd like to see a couple shows where one of these antler freaks show how to shoot from an elevated stand . Let them explain where to aim on a deer , etc . Talk about quartering away , broadside and quartering towards shots . Discuss setting up a bow and preparing gear for hunting . Something educational .
 
I'd rather see that than see J Bushwacker shoot the buck of the week . I can imaginge the preparation for his show as the Guide says ,"here is the stand we placed for you and the stand right there is for your cameraman. The big ones have been coming along that trail 20 yards from the stand . According to the trailcams , they should be coming by around 2:30 . We cleaned up the corn piles so they wouldn't accidently show up on the during the filming . Good Luck ! "
 
Let's see some of these guys shoot some does !
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RE: BuckMasters??

Postby schlupis » Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:13 pm

Eatdeer when they start hunting on their own properties and doing the work for themselves and not an outfitter maybe I will cut them some slack until then No Deal.

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RE: BuckMasters??

Postby speakerboxx » Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:48 am

What ya'll think about Tred Barta?

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RE: BuckMasters??

Postby Woods Walker » Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:13 am

Tred's biggest problem is that he's so insecure. He needs to develop more of an ego........[:D]
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RE: BuckMasters??

Postby Sailfish » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:26 am

Wow this thread just keeps a goin'

I think it might have potential to rival the Nugent thread...might.
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