Scent Loc Found Guilty Of False Advertising

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RE: Scent Loc Found Guilty Of False Advertising

Postby Woods Walker » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:51 pm

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Haha, I figured you would like that! I really have no point other than that this type of advertisement is an issue with everything. I know that you love your gihllie suit so I looked it up on Cabelas and saw scent free and thought PERFECT! Woodsy is gonna love this!
For the record, I do own Scentblocker camo and do not regret it one bit. I believe I paid $200ish for the outfit and am glad I did, my personal experience with it in my scent control regimen has been positive. Its by far the best set of camo duds I have ever owned.

 
I disagree Goose. It's NOT an issue with everything. Oh sure, people marketing a product will say that it's the best there is, or better that "X" or "Ernie Ego Of Prime Time Horn Porn TV endorses it", but that's NOT what Scent Loc did. These are subjective statments. They went BEYOND that, and stated that it does what it CANNOT do. If you buy a pair of boots that are sold as WATERPROOF, then they'd better be just that, If they aren't, then you get your money back. If I say that I will sell you milk for $2.00 a gallon, then you'd better get a gallon from me, and not a pint. That's fraud. If D&DH says that they will sell you 9 issues for a year's subscription fee, then you'd darn sure better get 9 issues and not 7 or 5. If it ELIMINATES human scent, then it'd better.
 
And Cabela's credibility is not exactly stellar at this point either.
 
You love your Scentblocker. Good. I'm happy for you. Do you also believe that it can be magically regenerated in a common dryer too?  Do you STILL believe what they say about regenaration even after being judged as LIARS about the efficiency of their product? You must, because if you didn't you wouldn't be too happy about the $200.00 you spent.
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RE: Scent Loc Found Guilty Of False Advertising

Postby Goose » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:36 pm

I use it per the instructions and have no complaints so far. Have you read the actual court documents or are you just throwing these statements out there? Can you direct me to it please?

I really don't know what to tell you. I changed my scent control routine 4 years ago which included the scentblocker, my deer within bow range per hour of hunting has gone up dramatically. I'm not naive enough to say that it is a direct result of the scentblocker but it certainly hasn't hurt anything that I am aware of.
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RE: Scent Loc Found Guilty Of False Advertising

Postby Woods Walker » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:27 am

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I use it per the instructions and have no complaints so far. Have you read the actual court documents or are you just throwing these statements out there? Can you direct me to it please?

I really don't know what to tell you. I changed my scent control routine 4 years ago which included the scentblocker, my deer within bow range per hour of hunting has gone up dramatically. I'm not naive enough to say that it is a direct result of the scentblocker but it certainly hasn't hurt anything that I am aware of.

 
So now I have to do your research for you too? Hokay......here goes.....false regeneration claims and all.......
 
http://www.heinsmills.com/cases/Scent_Lok.html
 
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RE: Scent Loc Found Guilty Of False Advertising

Postby Wolf River Hunter » Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:35 am

Science tells us that activated carbon is a filter and will absorb odor and that it takes temperatures of 500 degrees celsius (I googled it and that was the lowest temp I found) to completely regenerate. What isn't clear is how long one's activated carbon suit is good for. I would compare Scentloc to things like furnace filters and oil filters. The newer they are the better they work but eventually they become so plugged they are useless. I think if a hunter could get his hands on a garment that hasn't passed through a Vietnamese sweatshop, been crated up on a boat, sat in a warehouse, and then been handled by people hanging in a store (all the while filling up the carbon) he would have a useful tool, for a short period of time. And if he treated that garment like any other filter, realizing it would have to eventually be discarded, there would be something to gain. The probelm is there isn't a gauge on the clothes to say when the carbon is full. The thing that really makes me mad isn't the claim that it completely eliminates scent, that just seems like a hyped claim, the thing that got me was the notion you could make the stuff new again by putting it in the dryer. That made the product seem like a lifelong investment instead of a season long investment. I might spend $30 on a face wrap to filter my breath for 1 season but no way am I paying $300 for a jacket for 1 season.
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RE: Scent Loc Found Guilty Of False Advertising

Postby Woods Walker » Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:39 am

The thing that really makes me mad isn't the claim that it completely eliminates scent, that just seems like a hyped claim, the thing that got me was the notion you could make the stuff new again by putting it in the dryer. That made the product seem like a lifelong investment instead of a season long investment. I might spend $30 on a face wrap to filter my breath for 1 season but no way am I paying $300 for a jacket for 1 season.

 
And it's this that is making them and other who profited from them nervous as hell.
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RE: Scent Loc Found Guilty Of False Advertising

Postby NEW61375 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:26 am

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I use it per the instructions and have no complaints so far. Have you read the actual court documents or are you just throwing these statements out there? Can you direct me to it please?

I really don't know what to tell you. I changed my scent control routine 4 years ago which included the scentblocker, my deer within bow range per hour of hunting has gone up dramatically. I'm not naive enough to say that it is a direct result of the scentblocker but it certainly hasn't hurt anything that I am aware of.


I don't doubt your results one bit however unless you did the same scent control routine and substituted normal(clean) camo in place of your scentblocker suit and could compare exact or similiar hunt results then it is merely speculation that the suit helped, especially if it has been the same suit for 4 years. 

I understand you feel it hasn't hurt anything but that doesn't mean it helped either.  And in my mind that is what they are selling, they are selling a suit that can help contain/adsorb your scent and they are selling it as a long term investment(reactivation) when truthfully and scientifically speaking the product can only do part of that(adsorb) and it can only do that until the carbon is saturated, so what are you really paying for?
 
(Info only: When a substance is attached to a surface is is called adsorption, is this case the substance is attached to the internal surface of active carbon. When a substance is absorbed in a different medium it is called absorption. When a gas is taken in a solution it is called absorption)

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RE: Scent Loc Found Guilty Of False Advertising

Postby Goose » Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:33 am

Sorry for asking. I spent 20 minutes googling it and gave up.

I guess I don't understand what you want me to do, this is my 4th season with the camo and it is still in great shape, do you want me to tell you that it is junk and throw it away? I spent the money and love the suit, it is in great shape and designed with a bow hunter in mind. If they have lied in their advertising, they will get what they got coming. Until the suit wears out, I'm gonna wear it and kill deer in the process.
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RE: Scent Loc Found Guilty Of False Advertising

Postby Woods Walker » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:26 am

Couldn't find what? Didn't the link work?
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RE: Scent Loc Found Guilty Of False Advertising

Postby Goose » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:49 am

I searched for the transcript myself to no avail before asking you for it.

I am assuming you read the Judgment Order. Its actually a matter of wording, the court did not come to the conclusion that it does not reduce human scent, it concluded that it does not "totally eliminate" human order. It also did not come to the conclusion that it can not be reactivated at all, it came to the conclusion that it can not return to "like new" or "pristine" condition.

There advertisement strategy was wrong, not the carbon "technology".
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RE: Scent Loc Found Guilty Of False Advertising

Postby Woods Walker » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:53 am

Yes...and your point is???  That's been my whole point Goose.....THEY LIED ABOUT WHAT THEIR PRODUCT CAN DO, AND WERE FOUND GUILTY FOR IT.
 
I have no doubts whatsoever that carbon clothing helps reduce and dissipate human scent. But it does not and can not ELIMINATE it. What is so hard to understand about this?????
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