Michigan DNR to ban lead bulletts next?

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Michigan DNR to ban lead bulletts next?

Postby jci63 » Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:07 pm


Question or fact, you decide.........

Michigan DNR Press Release & North Dakota Department of Health News Release.

[font="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"]DNR Issues Tips on Reducing Lead Exposure in Venison[/font] [font="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"]Contact: [/font][font="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"][size=-1]Mary Dettloff 517-335-3014[/size][/font]
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A recent report by a North Dakota researcher has brought up the issue of lead fragments in venison, prompting the Michigan Department of Natural Resources to inform hunters of ways to reduce their exposure to lead in venison.

As many hunters know, a controversy has developed surrounding lead contamination of venison. This is because high-velocity rifle bullets will sometimes fragment on impact, especially if they hit bone. The small fragments are likely too small to be seen or felt while chewing.

There are a number of ways to reduce potential exposure to lead. For example, hunters may select loads that are less likely to fragment; or non-toxic loads that contain little or no lead. In addition, slower shotguns and M7 projectiles do not fragment the way high velocity lead bullets do.

Regardless of weapon, once a deer has been taken, liberal trimming around the wound channel will help limit lead exposure. Discard any meat that is bruised, discolored or contains hair, dirt, or bone fragments.

A study by the Federal Center for Disease on whether lead in venison poses health risks to humans is expected to be completed soon.

"Lead fragments have been found, but we don't know that it's a health risk," said Michigan Department of Natural Resources veterinarian Steve Schmitt. "People have been consuming venison for hundreds of years and may have been consuming some lead fragments, but we're not aware of any health problems. Whether or not it's a risk, we don't know."

People who are concerned about ingesting lead with their venison might limit themselves to whole cuts, as opposed to ground meat.

The issue of lead fragments in venison came about after a North Dakota researcher found that 56 percent of the packaged venison he examined, which had been donated to food banks, contained lead fragments. Subsequent testing of venison in other Midwest states showed lower percentages of lead contamination in donated venison.
While Minnesota and North Dakota pulled venison from food banks and had it destroyed, other Midwest states did not. In Michigan, all venison from the state's Sportsmen Against Hunger program had already been distributed, so there was none in food banks to pull or test. For more information about white-tailed deer hunting in Michigan, visit the DNR's Web site at www.michigan.gov/dnrhunting.

North Dakota Department of Health

For Immediate Release:
Nov. 5, 2008

For More Information, Contact:
Stephen Pickard, M.D.
North Dakota Department of Health
Phone: 701.328.2372
E-mail: spickard@nd.gov

State Health Department Announces Preliminary Findings in Blood Lead Level Study

BISMARCK, N.D. - People who eat wild game harvested with lead bullets appear to have higher levels of lead in their blood than people who don't, according to preliminary findings in a study conducted by the North Dakota Department of Health and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The study tested blood collected from a total of 738 North Dakotans in late May and early June 2008, according to Stephen Pickard, M.D., epidemiologist with the Department of Health. In September, each participant received a letter with his or her blood lead level, as well as information to help them interpret the results and a phone number to call if they had questions.

"In the study, people who ate a lot of wild game tended to have higher lead levels than those who ate little or none," Pickard said. "The study also showed that the more recent the consumption of wild game harvested with lead bullets, the higher the level of lead in the blood."

The correlation is statistical and adjusts findings for other potential sources of lead exposure; consequently, some individuals with substantial wild game consumption may have lower blood lead levels than some other individuals with little or no wild game consumption.

The lead levels among study participants ranged from none detectable to 9.82 micrograms per deciliter. Wild game consumption among study participants ranged from zero to heavy consumption. Some study participants had no identifiable risk factors for lead exposure while others had more than one potential risk factor for lead exposure.

"No single study can claim to be the final answer; however, this represents the best information we have to date to guide policy recommendations," Pickard said. "Because we know that lead exposure can cause serious health problems, especially for children and pregnant women, we are providing more definitive guidelines for hunters and others who may eat wild game shot with lead bullets."

Based on the results of the CDC blood lead level study and a Minnesota study looking at how different types of bullets fragment, the North Dakota Department of Health has developed the following recommendations to minimize the risk of harm to people who are most vulnerable to the effects of lead:

* Pregnant women and children younger than 6 should not eat any venison harvested with lead bullets.

* Older children and other adults should take steps to minimize their potential exposure to lead, and use their judgment about consuming game that was taken using lead-based ammunition.

* The most certain way of avoiding lead bullet fragments in wild game is to hunt with non-lead bullets.

* Hunters and processors should follow the processing recommendations developed by the North Dakota Department of Agriculture.

* If food pantries choose to accept donated venison or other wild game, they should follow these recommendations:

* Shot with lead bullets - Accept only whole cuts rather than ground meat. (Studies indicate that whole cuts appear to contain fewer lead bullet fragments than ground venison.)

* Shot with bows - Accept whole cuts or ground meat.

"We are providing these recommendations so that hunters and others who consume wild game can make informed decisions," Pickard said. "Over the next year, we plan on working with the departments of Agriculture and Game and Fish to conduct further testing of venison to evaluate the cleaning and processing guidelines issued earlier."

In late March 2008, the North Dakota departments of Health, Agriculture, and Game and Fish advised food pantries across the state not to distribute or use donated ground venison because of the discovery of contamination with lead fragments. A few weeks later, Minnesota made a similar advisory after laboratory tests discovered lead in venison that had been donated to food pantries in Minnesota. At that time, the North Dakota Department of Health asked the CDC for assistance in conducting the blood lead level study.

In October, the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources released results of a study to determine how bullets commonly used for deer hunting might fragment. The study indicated that lead particles commonly are found farther from the wound channel than previously thought and that the number of lead fragments varies widely by bullet type. In addition, the study indicated that most lead particles in venison are too small to see, feel or sense when chewing.

Pregnant women and young children are especially sensitive to the effects of exposure to lead because they absorb most of the lead they take in, and the brains of infants and young children are still developing. For children 6 and younger, any exposure to lead is considered too much. Although lead is also toxic for adults, they are less sensitive to the effects of lead and absorb less of the lead they take in. The following health effects often result from exposure to lead:

* In young children, lead exposure can cause lower IQs, learning disabilities, stunted growth, kidney damage, attention deficit disorder (ADD) and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).
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* In pregnant women, high lead exposure can cause low birth-weight babies, premature births, miscarriage and stillbirth.
* In adults, lead can cause high blood pressure, hearing loss and infertility.

A fact sheet and other information about the lead-in-venison issue is available on the North Dakota Department of Health's website at www.ndhealth.gov/lead/venison. Information about the Minnesota bullet study is available at www.dnr.state.mn.us/hunting/lead/index.html.

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RE: Michigan DNR to ban lead bulletts next?

Postby hunter480 » Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:07 pm

How did we ever survive?

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RE: Michigan DNR to ban lead bulletts next?

Postby paulie » Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:02 pm

Yeah ya know, it does seem kinda funny that, all of a sudden wild game is bad  if shot with lead bullets! This whole "lead bullet contraversy" started with a dermatologist from North dakota,by the name of William Cornatzer, who is also a board member of the "Peregrine Fund" a bird "conservation" group(fancy name for animal rights group), who lobbied to ban lead bullets in California! They claim that, California condor's, were dying from eating "the gut piles of lead shot game"(sounds like a bit aof stretch to me). This guy took it upon himself to conduct his own "private study". He claims to have found lead fragments in 53 of 95 packages of venison! I cant recall where I read the original story, but I understand, there was some question of the validity of his "test" results! Now I'm not saying this guy "fixed" this test(that would be mere speculation), but there is no doubt he has an "intrest" in banning lead bullets. From what I understand(from the original story), this guy has friends in high places but I'm sure that has nothing to do with the sudden "lead bullet panic" (or does it) [8|] (oh sorry, speculating again). IMO, just another attempt by the "antis" to chip away at our hunting rights[:@]!!

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RE: Michigan DNR to ban lead bulletts next?

Postby paulie » Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:03 pm

I'll try to see if I can find the original story, so I can post it(no promise's though)

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RE: Michigan DNR to ban lead bulletts next?

Postby jci63 » Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:04 pm

[font=times] [/font][align=center]Firearms Industry Statement on Results of
CDC Blood Lead Levels in Hunters Study
[font=times]NEWTOWN, Conn. -- The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) -- the trade association for the firearms, ammunition, hunting and shooting sports industry -- issued the following statement in response to study results from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), released by the North Dakota Department of Health, showing no evidence that lead or "traditional" ammunition pose any health risk to those who consume harvested game meat. [/font]

[font=times]Recognizing that hunters and their families may be concerned or confused by recent news reports about the study, NSSF encourages every individual who may consume harvested game meat to read the NSSF statement, fact box and CDC report made available in this news release.[/font]

[font=arial][align=center]Facts Hunters Should Know from the CDC Study . . .[/align][/font][font=arial]1. Consuming game harvested using traditional hunting ammunition does not pose a human health risk. [/font]
[font=arial]2. Participants in the study had readings lower than the national average and well below the level the CDC considers to be of concern.[/font]
[font=arial]3. Children in the study had readings that were less than half the national average and far below the level the CDC considers to be of concern.[/font]
[font=arial]4. The study showed a statistically insignificant difference between participants who ate game harvested using traditional hunting ammunition and the non-hunters in the control group.[/font]
[font=arial]5. Hunters should continue to donate venison to food pantries.[/font]
[font=arial][align=center]--------------------------------------[/align][/font][font=arial][align=center]Image Read the CDC report (PDF)[/align][/font]
[font=times]The CDC report on human lead levels of hunters in North Dakota has confirmed what hunters throughout the world have known for hundreds of years, that traditional ammunition poses no health risk to people and that the call to ban lead ammunition was nothing more than a scare tactic being pushed by anti-hunting groups. [/font]

[font=times]In looking at the study results, the average lead level of the hunters tested was lower than that of the average American. In other words, if you were to randomly pick someone on the street, chances are they would have a higher blood lead level than the hunters in this study.[/font]

[font=times]Also of note, the lead levels of children under 6 in the study had a mean of just 0.88, less than half the national average. Children over 6 had even lower lead levels. The CDC's level of concern for lead in children is 10. [/font]

[font=times]A media advisory released by the North Dakota Department of Health cited the highest lead level reading of an adult study participant as still being lower than the CDC lead level threshold of concern for a child, and significantly lower than the CDC accepted threshold of concern for an adult. Furthermore, during a tele-press conference hosted by the ND Department of Health, officials stated they could not verify whether this adult even consumed game harvested with traditional ammunition. Correspondingly, the study only showed an insignificant 0.3 micrograms per deciliter difference between participants who ate wild game harvested with traditional ammunition and non-hunters in the non-random control group. [/font]

[font=times]Also demonstrating their understanding that game harvested with traditional ammunition is safe to consume, the ND Department of Health, following the release of the CDC study results, encouraged hunters to continue donating venison to local food banks as long as processing guidelines were adhered to. [/font]
[font=times]NSSF was critical of the ND Department of Health when earlier this year the Department overreacted to a non-peer reviewed study by a dermatologist who claimed to have collected packages of venison from food banks that contained lead fragments. North Dakota health officials did not conduct their own study, but merely accepted the lead-contaminated meat samples from the dermatologist. The ND Department of Health then ordered all food banks to discard their venison. Serious questions were raised in a subsequent investigative journalism piece published this summer about the scientific validity of the testing of venison samples from the ND food pantries, including concerns regarding the non-random selection of the samples.[/font]

[font=times]It has since come to light that the dermatologist's efforts were not the independent actions of a concerned hunter, as he claimed. It was an orchestrated strategy by the Peregrine Fund -- an organization dedicated to eliminating the use of lead ammunition for hunting. The dermatologist serves on the Fund's Board of Directors. [/font]

[font=times]For more than a century, hundreds of millions of Americans have safely consumed game harvested using traditional hunting ammunition, and despite there being no scientific evidence that consuming the game is endangering the health of individuals, special interest groups like the Peregrine Fund and anti-hunting groups are continuing to press state legislatures around the country to support a ban on this common, safe and effective ammunition. [/font]

[font=times]These politically driven groups understand that while an outright ban on hunting would be nearly impossible to achieve, dismantling the culture of hunting one step at a time is a realistic goal. Banning lead ammunition is the first step of this larger political mission. We can only hope that with the conclusive CDC results concerning the safety of traditional ammunition, legislatures across the country will listen to science and not anti-hunting radicals. [/font]

[font=times]The notion by some, that any amount of lead is a "concern," is scientifically unfounded rhetoric that runs contrary to nationwide, long-standing standards of evaluation. The NSSF is pleased that hunters and others can now comfortably continue consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition that has been properly field dressed and butchered, yet we remain unsettled that for so many months good and safe food was taken out of the mouths of the hungry as nothing more than a political gambit by special interest groups.''[/font]


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RE: Michigan DNR to ban lead bulletts next?

Postby Demoderby4 » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:44 pm

Outlaw lead bullets... what will they think of next.

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Postby PrairieShadow » Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:25 pm

My Grandfather used to bite the bullet out of a .22 shell and chew it like gum all day long when he was a kid.

He's still alive and in tip top health at the young age of 86. I guess lead kills you almost immediately huh?[8|]
Im with you paulie, Just trying to make less people participate in the sport of hunting, thus less people standing up for hunting and making it easier to take the sport away.
Hunting isn't a matter of Life or Death
Its MUCH more important than that!

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Postby Gafrage » Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:47 pm

I think what the major problem here is that lead fragments from rifle hunting is causing donated deer to cause health problems.  Why?  Perhaps the people doing the butchering and what not are not paying attention to the wound channels.  At any rate, and I'm pretty strong against this, use bullets that kill, not bullets that help you find a deer you shoot poorly.  It is upon all hunters to make a quick clean kill.  Don't force shots.  Too many hunters do.  Know your shot and your limitations.  This would solve the problems that others neglect.  From what I understand, in WI, most lead is going to be banned for all upland game (Grouse, Pheasant, Woodcock). The reason most people are pushing this is not only because some of these game are found near wetlands, but because of the donated deer.  There have already been talks in WI about banning all donated deer.  What does this do to the archery hunters?  Last time I checked, the broadheads and the arrows don't have lead in them. 

Basically, do what you can do to not give the other people a reason to complain.  There is no need for some rifle bullets to mushroom as much as they do.  That causes this lead fragmentation that most liberals are worried about.  Shoot something that isn't a soft tip, or a balistic tip.  Think outside of the "box".  It goes a long way.

Some of you wonder why people are wanting to ban guns.  Think about it for a minute.  Seriously.  Take a good look at it.  There is no need for overkill on some of these things.  If you are solely using bullets that mushroom to "make sure" the buck drops, why are you hunting anyway?  Especially if you plan to donate the deer.  Don't give these freaks a reason to complain.  Take the time to do your research, your sighting in and don't force shots.  Things will come together.  Just do your part.

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RE: Michigan DNR to ban lead bulletts next?

Postby wack » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:52 am

Actually I think there is some good thinking behind this. No doubt steel shot for water fowl has helped lower the lead levels in the waters. Rifle ammo made from solid lead are pretty much a thing of the past. I wouldn't choose a solid lead bullet for any reason, since the best bullets are made from a combination of metals. If bullets can be made better with out lead, all the better. If they can at least make good bullets with less lead, that would be an improvement. If they took the approach of slowly lowering the lead amounts allowed, technology and the industry has time to come up with answers while keeping the costs down. If they try to force a lead ban overnight, the technology and forced quick changes will be expensive and very unpopular. If done over time in small steps, we wont know the difference and may even end up with better bullets. Ammo was heading in the lead free direction anyways. Most rifle ammo has very little lead now days, at least mine doesn't. To push the industry in the right direction is a good thing. to force a lead ban overnight would be bad.

Keep in mind that shotgun slugs are probably our worst offenders. A 12 GA slug or even a 20 GA slug is a pretty big chunk of lead. We use shotgun in places that are too over populated for using rifles. We use the most lead in areas we live in, in shotgun territory. Might as well take a truck load of lead slugs and add them directly to our water supply. Add that to a truck load of lead split shot fishermen use every year and we pretty much have lead everywhere. We need to be aware of the problem and each do our part. Practice at the shooting range so you can kill your deer with 1 slug. Hopefully the range is taking care of the practice lead. Take pride in 1 shot, 1 kill by taking only shots you can't miss, save the rapid fire for the range where it's fun and safe, not in the woods hunting. The lead poisoning I'm most worried about is that coming from a moron spraying the woods and me with slugs! That sudden lead poisoning that kills deer, can also kill me just as fast. This isn't a video game, it's not recreational shooting, it's hunting. 1 shot, 1 kill. Be confident enough to give that 1 shot time to kill.    
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RE: Michigan DNR to ban lead bulletts next?

Postby paulie » Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:07 am

As far as the shotgun slug is concerned, I'm doing my part, I shoot Remington copper solids. No lead, just an ounce of deadly copper( unless you miss, not so deadly then[:(]).


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