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RE: 76% of Sportsmen Prefer a President Who Hunts

Postby dmcianfa » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:58 am

You know what I'm scared of.  One thing.  The democrats having complete control of our government:  Legislature, executive, and the Judicial branches.  That in itself should make you wet your drawers.  In any case, I think a system of checks and balances is good for a population.  This will not be the case if Obama is elected, and the Supreme Court is soon to follow.  If that ever happens, watch out, we'll start to have law and policy that will become very burdensome for alot of Amercians from taxes to rights and everything in between. A little competition in our government is a healthy thing.  I don't like one set of hands on the reigns of my stagecoach.[:'(]
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RE: 76% of Sportsmen Prefer a President Who Hunts

Postby hunter480 » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:12 am

ORIGINAL: ChewyTKE609

Number 1, we ARE a Christian Nation, our Founders were deeply connected to God, as many of their documents attest to, so again, it IS God, with a capital G.


I have to completely disagree with you on this one as well.  The US is NOT a Christian country.  You're very passionate about the interpretation of the second amendment, but do not forget about the first amendment and the fact that you are unfortunately wrong in this instance.  Take a look at this website.  Read it, then you might actually see that we, in fact, are not Christian nation.

As for education, we will have to agree to disagree.

 
How do you claim we`re not a Christian Nation? Read the Founders works......most of our principles are based solely on Christain ethics in regards to treatment of people concerning rights, worth, fundamental judicial treatment, etc. AND, the myth, of the, so called, "seperation of church and state is just that, a MYTH. The only time in early American history that phrase was used, was in a letter to a Church, from Thomas Jefferson, in regards to this certain churches concern about being subjected to a "state endorsed" religion. Yet, due to the spin of the left, along side the aclu, many people today believe this seperation of church and state is actually IN the United States Constitution. Abd explain why the 10 Commandments are etched in stone in so many court houses across the Nation.
 
Read the writings of Jefferson, Henry, Franklin, the list goes on, these men all credited The Creator with the origin of, and the reason for their determination in fighting England, and presenting so many freedoms to the citizens of the foundling Nation, called the United States of America.
 
And certainly I`m passionate about Second Amendment rights. I`ve been accused of being blind to the "other" issues, I`ve been accused of being a crimninal because of my stance on gun confiscation, I`ve been attacked for being insensitive......but I`ll always say that Second Amendment rights trump EVERYTHING else. Why do you imagine the Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership, (JPFO), are so passionate in their stance on the Second Amendment?
 
And swure, disagreeing on education is fine. You`ll believe what you will, and I`ll hold my position.

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RE: 76% of Sportsmen Prefer a President Who Hunts

Postby Woods Walker » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:55 pm

We are NOT a God fearing Nation? Somebody tell that to all 50 States...........
 
PREAMBLES TO THE ALL U.S. STATES CONSTITUTIONS:
 
 
Alabama 1901, Preamble
We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of
Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution..

Alaska 1956, Preamble We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who
founded our nation and pioneered this great land.

Arizona 1911, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to
Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to
Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble We, the People of the State of California, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom...

Colorado 1876, Preamble We, the people of Colorad o, with profound reverence for
the Supreme Ruler of Universe...

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut , acknowledging with
gratitude the good Providence of God in  permitting them to enjoy.

Delaware 1897, Preamble Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the
rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of
their consciences.

Florida 1885, Preamble We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to
Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and
guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble We , the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance
... Establish this Constitution.

Idaho 1889, Preamble We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty
God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.

Illinois 1870, Preamble We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to
Almighty God for the civil , political and religious liberty which He hath so
long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

Indiana 1851, Preamble We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to
Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of
government.

Iowa 1857, Preamble We, the People of the St ate of Iowa, grateful to the
Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on
Him for a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.

Kansas 1859, Preamble We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our
civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to
Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana 1921, Preamble We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to
Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.

Maine 1820, Preamble We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts
the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an
opportunity .. And imploring His aid and direction.

Maryland 1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to
Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging
with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe In
the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His
direction .

Michigan 1908, Preamble.   We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of freedom, establish this Constitution.

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to
God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its
blessings:

Mississippi 1890, Preamble We, the people of Mississippi in convention
assembled, grateful to Al mighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for
the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness . Establish
this Constitution...

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for
the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..

Nebraska 1875, Preamble We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom
. Establish this Constitution.

Nevada 1864, Preamble We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty
God for our freedom, establish this Constitution...

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V Every individual has a natural and
unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own
conscience.

New Jersey 1844, Preamble We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to
Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us
to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

New Mexico 1911, Preamble We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God
for the blessings of liberty..

New York 1846, Preamble We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to
Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.

Carolina 1868, Preamble We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful
to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and
religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the
continuance of those...


North Dakota 1889, Preamble We , the people of North Dakota, grateful to
Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God
for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common.

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to
secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I Section 2. All men shall be secure in the
Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their
consciences

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty
God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His
guidance....

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful
to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long
permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing...

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble We, the people of he State of South Carolina
grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

South Dakota 1889, Preamble We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty
God for our civil and religious liberties .

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right
to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging, with
gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.

Utah 1896, Preamble Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish
this Constitution.

Vermont 1777, Preamble Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals
who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the
Author of Existence has bestowed on man .

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our
Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to
practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other
Washington 1889, Preamble We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to
the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this
Constitution

West Virginia 1872, Preamble Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the
blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West
Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ...

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God
for our freedom, domestic tranquility...

Wyoming 1890, Preamble We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to God
for our civil, political, and religious liberties, establish this
Constitution...
 
Hunt Hard,

Kill Swiftly,

Waste Nothing,

Offer No Apologies.....

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RE: 76% of Sportsmen Prefer a President Who Hunts

Postby JPH » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:09 pm

ORIGINAL: hunter480

How do you claim we`re not a Christian Nation? Read the Founders works......most of our principles are based solely on Christain ethics in regards to treatment of people concerning rights, worth, fundamental judicial treatment, etc. AND, the myth, of the, so called, "seperation of church and state is just that, a MYTH. The only time in early American history that phrase was used, was in a letter to a Church, from Thomas Jefferson, in regards to this certain churches concern about being subjected to a "state endorsed" religion. Yet, due to the spin of the left, along side the aclu, many people today believe this seperation of church and state is actually IN the United States Constitution. Abd explain why the 10 Commandments are etched in stone in so many court houses across the Nation.

Read the writings of Jefferson, Henry, Franklin, the list goes on, these men all credited The Creator with the origin of, and the reason for their determination in fighting England, and presenting so many freedoms to the citizens of the foundling Nation, called the United States of America.

And certainly I`m passionate about Second Amendment rights. I`ve been accused of being blind to the "other" issues, I`ve been accused of being a crimninal because of my stance on gun confiscation, I`ve been attacked for being insensitive......but I`ll always say that Second Amendment rights trump EVERYTHING else. Why do you imagine the Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership, (JPFO), are so passionate in their stance on the Second Amendment?

And swure, disagreeing on education is fine. You`ll believe what you will, and I`ll hold my position.


I think the confusion here is more about biblical history than it is the constitution. We are founded on more of Judeo/Christian ethic than a Christian one. Remember we, as Christians, inherited the 10 Commandments from our Jewish roots.

I agree that the separation between church and state is a myth. It is freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

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RE: 76% of Sportsmen Prefer a President Who Hunts

Postby Goose » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:17 pm

"81% of American adults identify themselves with a specific religion: 76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian "
Jake

Genesis 27:3 Take your bow and quiver full of arrows out into the open country, and hunt some wild game.....

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RE: 76% of Sportsmen Prefer a President Who Hunts

Postby JPH » Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:30 am

ORIGINAL: Goose

"81% of American adults identify themselves with a specific religion: 76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian "

 
True, and I pray that it will be 100% someday soon. But Christinaty is not the state religion any more than white is the national race.
 
This is not a matter of being a stong Christian. It is a matter of understanding the constitution and those who wrote it.

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RE: 76% of Sportsmen Prefer a President Who Hunts

Postby hunter480 » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:29 pm

Email I got from a friend recently.......very tongue-in-cheek, but still, makes me think of obama.....
 
 
[font="times new roman"]               While walking down the street one day a Senator is hit by
                a truck and tragically, dies.

                His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the
                entrance.
               
                'Welcome to heaven,' says St. Peter. 'Before you settle
                in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high
                official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure
                what to do with you.'
               
                'No problem, just let me in,' says the Senator.
               
                'Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up.  What
                we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in
                heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.'
               
                'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,'
                says the Senator.
               
                'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.'
               
               
                And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and

                he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he
                finds himself in the middle of a green golf
                course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in
                front of it are all his friends and other politicians who
                had worked with him.
               
                Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to
                greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good
                times they had while getting rich at the expense of the
                people. They play a friendly game of golf and then dine
                on lobster, caviar and champagne.
               
                Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly
                guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They
                are having such a good time that before he realizes it,
                it is time to go.
               
                Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the
                elevator rises ...
               
                The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on
                heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.
               
                'Now it's time to visit heaven.'
               
                So, 24 hours pass with the Senator joining a group of
                contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the
                harp and singing. They have a good time and,
                before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St.

                Peter returns.
               
                'Well, then , you've spent a day in hell and another in
                heaven.
               
                Now choose your eternity.'
               
                The senator reflects for a minute, then answers: 'Well, I
                would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been
                delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.'
               
                So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down,
                down, down to hell .
               
                Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle
                of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees
                all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and
                putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above...
               
                The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his
                shoulder. 'I don't understand,' stammers the Senator.
                'Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and
                clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne,
                and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a
                wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.

                What happened?'
               
                The devil looks at him, smiles and says.......
               
                'Yesterday we were campaigning. Today you voted.[/font]

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RE: 76% of Sportsmen Prefer a President Who Hunts

Postby hunter480 » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:46 pm

The American people have spoken, (Did I hear someone say, "Hey Y`All, watch this"?) The same American people who nearly put Al Gore in the White House.
 
We are entering a bleak and dark time for America.

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RE: 76% of Sportsmen Prefer a President Who Hunts

Postby Gafrage » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:01 pm

I'm glad your state pulled through.  Wait, they didn't...just like mine :- /.  Life goes on.  We need to now "support" our president as of Jan 20th.  Keep our own morals, but work as one.  Granted some things are going to change greatly, pay attention to it all.  4 Years from now, we need to remember what we had to go through, and how much change we've had, and how much of that change, was actually good.  This isn't a race issue, like CNN made it appear, and I'm sick and tired of people thinking this was a race issue.  Barack is just as American as you and me, regardless of the color of his skin.  I'm not "German/Irish/Italian/Norwegian American.  I was born here, so I'm American. 

You can't win them all, I've learned that already in my short voting history.  Change isn't about the party, it isn't about the color of someone's skin.  It's about their morals, goals and path.  There will be some big surprises to some people in the United States.  Fear might have had something to do with that.

As of right now, the only thing I can recommend, is if you haven't started your Roth IRA, do it before Tax Day next year, there is a good chance that program will be cut.  If you don't know what a Roth IRA is, then I'm not sure you're paying much attention to your own future?!?  Like JFK said, "Don't ask what your country can do you for you, but rather, what you can do for yourself."  I kind of twisted that last part.  That's the truth though.

Besides, I've got something to look forward to.  The Wisconsin Gun opener is only 18 days away!  Who's with me?


If I didn't mention this before...you can't change the past...seriously, you can't.  So don't try.  Just focus on the future, and the card's you've been dealt.

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RE: 76% of Sportsmen Prefer a President Who Hunts

Postby Paul T. » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:26 pm

May God have mercey on this United States.
Dig in and hang on , It's going to be a rough 4 years.[&o]
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