Farmers of Antlers or Hunters of Backstraps?

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RE: Farmers of Antlers or Hunters of Backstraps?

Postby longcarbine » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:34 am

[font=arial]JPH[/font][/align][font=arial]I think it is NOT a bad question.  And by no means am I reducing it down to a collection of antlers or meat.  This is my opinion and I'm sure there will be many that do not agree.  I believe when we hunt, we take what the woods have to offer.  I feel that the dollar and technology has robbed the element of surprise out of hunting for some of yall.  I believe that actual hunting is becoming a lost art and is being replaced with farming for wildlife.  What proof do I have???  Look at the hunting videos, tv shows, etc..  The majority of these shows remind me of reality TV.  It's a joke!! There are game cameras that now send pics of the animal to your PC or phone instantly, once the pic is taken.  See what is passing by your feeder, plot, stand without ever leaving the comforts of home.  It reminds me of a story a couple years ago about somebody killing a deer via computer.  What is the difference between the two, other than a dead animal?  There are new hunters coming into our ranks daily.  And some of them think that getting ready for deerseason is planting plots, building shooting house, and buying corn for feeders.  The focus has been lost.  Yes it is a good question.  I believe there needs to be a gut check.  Hunting should not involve how to grow big bucks via feed, plots, minerals.  Let Mother nature take care of that.  I could go on and on, but I'll restrain.   Think about it.  There is a difference of being a good steward and doing what you can for wildlife and cattle ranching.  [/font][/align][font=arial]Yall take care.   [/font][/align]

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RE: Farmers of Antlers or Hunters of Backstraps?

Postby JPH » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:46 am

Longcarbine, you raise some excellent points, but let me offer another angle on it.

Is porn bad? Yes! Does porn degarde people? Yes! Is porn addictive? Yes! Does porn ruin marrages? Yes! But is marrage dead? No!

Is the TV hunting culture, driven by profit (aka deer porn) a bad force in hunting? I say yes, but I do not think it has ruined hunting. I turn away from it and continue to focus on conservation and the experience of hunting. I think that most of us here are the same way. Hunting lives on as long as you and I continue to hunt!

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RE: Farmers of Antlers or Hunters of Backstraps?

Postby dxthunter57 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:53 am

i understand where longcarbine is coming from also
i think the young hunters including em have gotten mesmerized by big antlers seen on tv
old folks to
i think it degrades the meaning of hunting so that people feel they have to be ashamed of little deer
the only show i know of that isn't like that is Winchester Revolution with Larry Weishon
but we as hunters need to stray away from that and truly look at hunting and what it means to us not the amount of head gear a deer has on his head

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RE: Farmers of Antlers or Hunters of Backstraps?

Postby JPH » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:03 am

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the only show i know of that isn't like that is Winchester Revolution with Larry Weishon

 
Add D&DH TV to the list. If you haven't seen it, check it out.

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RE: Farmers of Antlers or Hunters of Backstraps?

Postby keystonehunter » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:11 am

I don't hunt for meat nor do I hunt to "kill". I hunt to match wits with one of the most challenging animals and to enjoy nature.  I love venison and big bucks (who doesn't?). And when I take to the woods I rarely have a set of objectives if I can fill either tag. It depends on the situation. Sometimes I've shot the first deer I saw, others I've let go for the whole season not regretting it. But no matter what one's opinion on this subject is, we're all in the same club and I respect all views. Whatever floats your boat.
I do agree with all posters who see those hunting shows as "antler porn". Something feels sleazy watching those. I think it degrades the experience somehow. JMO. Thanks.
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RE: Farmers of Antlers or Hunters of Backstraps?

Postby hunter480 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:34 am

ORIGINAL: dxthunter57

i think it degrades the meaning of hunting so that people feel they have to be ashamed of little deer

but we as hunters need to stray away from that and truly look at hunting and what it means to us not the amount of head gear a deer has on his head

 
Agreed. This about says everything.

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RE: Farmers of Antlers or Hunters of Backstraps?

Postby ranwin33 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:34 am

ORIGINAL: longcarbine

[font=arial]JPH[/font]
[/align][font=arial]I think it is NOT a bad question.  And by no means am I reducing it down to a collection of antlers or meat.  This is my opinion and I'm sure there will be many that do not agree.  I believe when we hunt, we take what the woods have to offer.  I feel that the dollar and technology has robbed the element of surprise out of hunting for some of yall.  I believe that actual hunting is becoming a lost art and is being replaced with farming for wildlife.  What proof do I have???  Look at the hunting videos, tv shows, etc..  The majority of these shows remind me of reality TV.  It's a joke!! There are game cameras that now send pics of the animal to your PC or phone instantly, once the pic is taken.  See what is passing by your feeder, plot, stand without ever leaving the comforts of home.  It reminds me of a story a couple years ago about somebody killing a deer via computer.  What is the difference between the two, other than a dead animal?  There are new hunters coming into our ranks daily.  And some of them think that getting ready for deerseason is planting plots, building shooting house, and buying corn for feeders.  The focus has been lost.  Yes it is a good question.  I believe there needs to be a gut check.  Hunting should not involve how to grow big bucks via feed, plots, minerals.  Let Mother nature take care of that.  I could go on and on, but I'll restrain.   Think about it.  There is a difference of being a good steward and doing what you can for wildlife and cattle ranching.  [/font]
[/align][font=arial]Yall take care.   [/font]
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I'm going to have to disagree with parts of your post. 
 
Technology will only take a person so far, they still have to hunt.  How much technology a person uses is up to the individual - therefore it really hasn't "robbed" anyone of anything.  I use game cameras, but I still get very surprised when a big buck decides to show, whether it's one that's been on a camera or one that hasn't. 
 
Getting ready for deer season can be planting plots, building shooting houses, installing tree stands, and a whole bunch of other stuff.  The focus hasn't been lost, it's merely been expanded beyond making hunting consist of a couple of days in the woods every year hoping to shoot something. 
 
For some of us hunting should involve how to grow bigger and healthier deer - being in the woods just a few days or weeks each season isn't enough - we want to do more.  That's not bad thing, it's not ranching, it's being an active participant in the environment, conservation efforts, and the sport we all love.
“There are two spiritual dangers in not owning a farm. One is the danger of supposing that breakfast comes from the grocery, and the other that heat comes from the furnace.”
Aldo Leopold

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Postby trophyhunter1980 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:58 am

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RE: Farmers of Antlers or Hunters of Backstraps?

Postby longcarbine » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:09 am

ranwin33
You say we should be involved in growing healthier and bigger deer.  But don't you think that we have crossed the line in some areas?  Shouldn't we leave some of the responabilty on mother nature and time.

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RE: Farmers of Antlers or Hunters of Backstraps?

Postby JPH » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:28 am

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Shouldn't we leave some of the responabilty on mother nature and time.

 
We accept that we have a role to play in nature when we step into the field as hunters. Working to improve habitat or the health of the deer herd by increased management is just taking that to another level.

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