Thanks for the replies guys. On the Iowa secret I think it's pretty much out. The deer grow monsterous over there. I am jealous as well. NC has the rut/gun problem as well and I wish it would change. More and more people are letting bucks walk now a days though , back when I was a kid a basket six would be the talk of the town! I would like us to incorparate the harvest laws and hunting seasons that could enable more bucks to reach a more mature age class.