Thanks for your opinions guys. Your givin me good hopes! Vambo, my brother and I looked at this pic for a good while and i believe you are right on. We determined that this deer is no older than 3 1/2. I just dont know how I'm gonna be able to pass em up if i actually to have an encounter with him. A 14 point where im from = very very rare. I'm kinda hoping he'll elude me again this year so i can see what he'll turn out to be next.