Here are the parts on the urine from this conversation. The bigger font is from woods walker, he is the person who is credited with this information, I just cut and pasted parts from our conversation.
In your post where a person was wondering if they could use tinks next year, you said that the urine turns to urea and in every bottle it is broken down and brown since it has been exposed to air. A guy at a hunting shop told me, which I posted, that as soon as you expose it to air that it starts to break down. He told me that after the bottle is opened it does. I agree with what you say 100% there is no way the urine can not be exposed to air unless it is sucked from the bladder. Do you know if the company sucks the air out of the bottled to make it break down slower or anything? Because he told me that the urine is only good for so long. I also know he is a salesman but were wondering if you knew any more information on this subject. Thanks alot!
Matt: I'm just using my common sense on this one. Do you really think that they would sell urine as cheaply as they do if they had to bring each deer into a lab type setting, tranquilize it, and then do what is basically an invasive surgical procedure to extract the urine? I think not!
Think back to the last time you killed a deer. When you opened the animal up to field dress it, what color was the urine in the bladder, or on the sex organs? It sure a hell wasn't BROWN now, was it?
As far as I can recon, ANY urine that you see that is brown/amber is urea. And don't forget what I also stated about the animal lure industry be totally unregulated. That means that there's no industry standards for collection and processing, and that the only way that they could be sued would be if it could be proved that the urine that the sold you was NOT from the animal they claimed it was. The only problem with this, is that once it's broken down into urea, then it's ALL THE SAME ANYWAY.
I use my own urine in scrapes, and I see no difference between the reaction I get from that, and the from when I used to buy commercially sold urine.
And you bow shop friend, while maybe telling you what he thinks is true, is STILL in the business of SELLING URINE. Of course he will tell you that once it's opened you can't keep it.....he wants you to buy more every year. Point is, there's really no difference between the BROWN urine you just poured out of an unopened bottle, and a bottle that you opened a year ago. It's ALL urea.
I've worked around livestock and dogs my entire life. NEVER have I seen an animal with BROWN colored pee!!!
But to answer you question (sorry for being so long winded!).....no, I know of no commercial urine maker that sucks the air from the bottle before sealing, or more importantly extracting urine from an animal with no exposure to the air.
It's a scam. That doesn't mean that it won't sometimes work, but NOT for the reasons that they claim.
[font="trebuchet ms"]I also want to point out that just because the bottled urine is already urea when you get it doesn't necessarily mean that it won't have some effect. What remains[/font] in the urea are the PHERMONES that the animals secret. In fact, if I were a woman, I would pee into scrapes and anyhere else I'd want to in order to attract a buck, because the phermones that are in a human female are the same chemically that are in a doe. The same goes for a male, which is why when I've pee'd in scrapes, they generally get freshened up soon after, because the buck detects MY phermones, and wonders, 'Now who in the hell is this SOB?'
The problem is, is that you have no idea when you buy commercially bottled urine, of what SEX the donor was, which is why I believe that many hunters have very spotty results with it. For example, I have NEVER had a so-called "doe-in-heat" urine work AT ALL for me, even when a buck walked directly downwind of the scent bomb I had out, yet I know other hunters who I have absolutely no reason to doubt, who've said it pulled a buck right into them. They must have got the lucky bottle!!
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