Deer Czar Recommendations?

[retch sweeny]

Concession accepted but you should know that the information I provide and the infinite wisdom I provide are one in the same and really can’t be separated.

As to "Knowing your role...". I maintain a firm grasp of my role but have to ask your role.

[Ostermann]

Gents, each side is vastly different:
-Bow hunters have received longer seasons but have had to concede to the T-Zone/Youth hunt. However, the license numbers are what, 220,000-250,000 over a 3+ month season? It provides revenue over a sustained period. More opportunity with a short range weapon, less pressured deer.
-Gun hunters have a window of 9 days with over 600,000+ licenses sold. More money in a shorter time to the local economy in different parts of the state. More range with your weapon, party hunting, but deer can be pushed out and be on the run or sit tight.

[retch sweeny]

Correct Ostermann, Bowhunters are very limited in the lethality of that season’s weapon. We can only use a human powered weapon that we are able to draw and hold back in the presence of game. Couple that with our limitations in distance at which we can take game and our smaller numbers (when compared to gun hunters) and you can see why the season was made as long as it was but to those that lament the length of the bow season as if we occupied the woods to ourselves, they are being dishonest . What other season has seem more taken away from it than bowhunting?

The season was established as an archery season and then a youth hunt was inserted into the archery season, then the Oct. T-zone hunt was inserted into the archery season, then the 10 day ML season was inserted into the archery season, then the Dec. T-zone hunt was inserted into the archery season, then fall turkey hunting was inserted into the same time frame as the archery season. During this time, bowhunters have shared the woods with all these new insertions as well as the long established Bear season, small game season, upland game season and every other season meaning bowhunters have given up more than any other season and during every part of their season are sharing the woods with other firearms hunters.

Look at the gun deer season, until recently all other hunting was shut down and gun hunters had a season unto themselves. Now you can use a bow under a gun tag and some are complaining that bowhunters are selfish and getting more than anybody else. Give me a break. It makes a guy wonder if those complainers are even paying attention. Now we got a guy here that wants gun deer hunters to go first before bowhunters because he wont or cant become a bowhunter and does not mind disadvantaging a season he not only doesn’t partake in but clearly dislikes and does so claiming it will create equity between gun and bowhunters.

Equity can never exist because gun hunters can harvest deer from hundreds of yards away and can group bag deer and make drives to push deer across open fields so they can blast away at groups of running deer. These same people claim they only get 9 days to gun hunt assuming we all forgot about the 10 day ML hunt and the 4 day Dec. herd control hunt. The lethality and ease of use of shoulder stored energy weapons with a stock, scope, trigger guard, safety, shot from a rest or brace seems to be forgotten by these folks (and that includes all of the shoulder stored energy weapons with a stock, scope, trigger guard, safety, shot from a rest or brace that are not human powered, not just the ones that go bang)

[Deebz]

technically, the crossbow, as i'm sure you're referring to, is a human powered weapon unless you have an electric or carbon dioxide canister powered cocking aid... If you use your arms to cock the bow, the energy stored in the bow is from a human...

not that I care either way, just saying...

[retch sweeny]

Not according to new WI statute created via AB-384 which says:

“Bow," when used with reference to hunting, means a bow, drawn and held by and through the effort of the person releasing it, but does not include a crossbow.”

This means a bow a human powered device. (Which by the way was a stroke of genius and key to that legislation)

Since crossbows can be cocked by another person and then given to the user or can be cocked with a Co2 charge (Parker) or other methods to charge the weapon and then held cocked not by human power but instead by a mechanical device indefinitely, they would be included in the shoulder fired, stored energy weapons and used in seasons that I mention that are not human powered season. But this is not really a crossbow thread. I only hoped to clear up that point in regards to Dan’s assertion that bowhunting and gun hunting could be equal or share equality based on the start date of each season.

[Deebz]

makes sense... the energy stored indefinitely and released by mechanical means part

who is this "Deer Czar" anyway?

[retch sweeny]

There is no deer “Czar” that is a title some are using because they object to a third party investigating Wisconsin’s deer management program. They are easy to spot by their use of the term “Czar” as they hope to discredit or marginalize the effort.

There is however a deer “Trustee”

Here is a link from the DNR web site explaining it.

http://wispolitics.com/1006/100311_DOA.pdf

Now comming full circle and getting back on topic since the thread got all "Salmoned up". You will also want to know the following

“Deer Trustee to hold meetings around the state in April”

The purpose is to gather ideas and solutions from citizens, sportsmen and sportswomen to help forge a new age for Wisconsin’s deer management practices via the role of the WI deer Trustee.

Appleton

Mon, April 16

7-10 pm

Appleton North High School - Auditorium/Theater

5000 N. Ballard Rd., Appleton, WI 54913


RHINELANDER


Tues, April 17

7-10 pm

Rhinelander High School – Auditorium

665 Coolidge Avenue, Rhinelander, WI 54501


HAYWARD


Weds, April 18

7-10 pm

Hayward Intermediate School – Gymnasium

15930 W. 5th Street, Hayward, WI 54843


BLACK RIVER FALLS

Thurs, April 19

7-10 pm

Black River Falls Middle School - Lunda Theater

1202 Pierce Street, Black River Falls, WI 54615


MOUNT HOREB

Fri, April 20

7-10 pm

Mount Horeb High School – Auditorium

305 S 8th Street, Mount Horeb, WI 53572


MILWAUKEE

Sat, April 21

10 am - 1 pm

Tommy G. Thompson Youth Center, Wisconsin State Fair Park

640 South 84th Street, West Allis, WI 53214

[bullwinkle]

Ok, I heard some scoop from some close to the Deer Czar. Susposedly some of his recommendation are going to be:

1. Start over the the deer estimating system. He is very critical to the DNR processes and their understanding the size of the deer herd.

2. Start over with the registration system - I love this one personnally, hope it is true

3. Start over with the rules book. He said there are too many bolt on rules and in collection it is a mess and needs a complete overhaul.

4. He is not impressed with some of the DNR staff - rumor is there will be blood at end of this

5. Move the deer management to a county by county basis. Get rid of deer management units.

The guy I talked to said the real question is Walker. He has been wounded by the re-elections

[Ostermann]

Retch - Gun Season is also about timing too. The season is around Thanksgiving and is the big money maker for the state. Not everyone is going to be happy with the bow, turkey, bear, squirrel, etc. seasons because they overlap. At some point, something has to give.

WBH has gone a long way to create more opportunities for bowhunters but with the different seasons there has to be some concessions made.

[MacGruber]

>> Move the deer management to a county by county basis. Get rid of deer management units <<

That would be awesome! There will be more agreement on the "hot" issues within a county than statewide: APRs vs brown-its-down, baiting, crossbows vs real archery equipment, population goals, etc. The list is long.