I agree that the deer count has been off for at least a couple years. I was saying that last year but it fell on deaf ears. I still do not know what you are trying to do about it. Are you just bitching about the method or doing something about it? Do you have a better plan than what the DNR does? Show me a better plan.
30,000 bears? I have yet to see any proof of that. Are you blaming bears for the deer numbers? Is 30,000 bear a bad thing? Is this a part of what this group stands for? ''i'M CONFUSED.
The message I seem to get is you want to keep it simple. You want more accurate counts on deer and now bears. Let's say we come up with a formula to do that. Let's say we implement this new plan, and find out a few years from now it is flawed, it's not working. We would not have implemented it if we knew it was flawed, we wouldn't know if it was flawed with out giving it a try. Is it better to use the experience to fix the flaws or start over? The DNR knows that the counts are flawed and are working on the problem. What more do you want?
EAB and T zones are both good tools. They may not have been used correctly in recent years, then again, if you look at the goals and results, these methods may have worked perfectly. I would not vote to ban these methods, but I would like to see the use of these methods used only when it's needed to reduce the herd or even up the buck to doe ratio. Getting accurate data to determine what methods to use in what area's again is the key and we are back to counting deer again.
If the DNR knew that the deer count was off but found out too late to change the zones and take back tags that were issued, then maybe the DNR should determine the hunting seasons goals much later in the season? What ever method used to count deer has to provide results in time to set the up coming season. There is just no way to keep this simple. Complaining doesn't help unless you can provide clear answers for fixing the problems.
One good thing I can see happening here is if the website becomes an information center for hunters to get in touch with law makers and organizations. Maybe a slight tweak that would help the name fit the bill is to categorize different hunter issues and list the contacts hunters need for each issue.
For example, WI. Elk : List the info for elk biologists, List The organization like the RMEF, Jackson County wildlife fund, DNR links, UW Stevens Point links, links to opposition like the Dept. of Agriculture ect. A web page for deer hunting, turkey hunting, bear hunting, A place for all Wisconsin hunters to go for bear bones info and contacts. Where A hunter can find out who is doing what, when and where. If a cross bow hunter wants to know who's fighting for the rights of cross bow users, he can go to a page and find out what groups are for it, who's fighting against it. Where a deer hunter can go to find out who's fighting for baiting, who's fighting against it. You can coincide the forums to each topic to try to sway fellow hunters one way or another, but it's up to the hunter to decide what bandwagon to get on, and give them the contacts to go in what ever direction they choose. Push the United hunters part so that hunters are encouraged not to in fight and for each to choose positive battles to fight.
An example might be that I hate the idea of enclosed fence hunting. I know it's going on not far from my home. I would voice my opinion in the forums, hope to keep that battle among hunters, but I'm going to go to the elk page and do everything I can to get the elk reintroduction back on it's feet. I'm not going to help anti hunters stop enclosed fence hunting, I'm going to help Wisconsin get elk. The website should be a place for all hunters to gather info on there type of hunting with out taking sides on the issues. If this is what you are trying to do, then I'm all for it.
I spend a lot of time on this forum because there are a lot of good people here with a lot of hunting passion. I'm not knocking what you are trying to do, just trying to understand. I agree with every one of you on different subjects, and don't think we could get 5 of you to all agree on every subject. Between 5 or 5 million, we all agree we love hunting. I do not think you guys are thinking big enough. What you have is a starting point. Deer hunting/EAB,population management, ect. along with the forum, you may also want to put together a survey section to draw information from hunters and get it organized. I am looking forward to where this is going to go. Good luck.
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