Do Politics & Herd Management Mix??

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Re: Do Politics & Herd Management Mix??

Postby Dan Salmon » Sat May 07, 2011 2:45 pm

Seems as though Patrick Durkin and Al Cornell are also in disagreement with the political lobby too. Seems that the more things get shoved down people's throats, the more people actually start to care and come out against what the minority likes to profess as the majority viewpoint.

It truly is looking to be a better day for sportsmen in WI. Keep pushing the buttons WBH and the sleeping giant will arise.

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Re: Do Politics & Herd Management Mix??

Postby Dan Salmon » Sat May 07, 2011 2:52 pm

Things in Madison are going about as well as any hunter could hope and are about to get even better under a great Governor, a new and improved DNR, an improving NRB and legislators listening to the sportsmen and their votes through the CC. It don’t get much better than that. I would not expect a disgruntled, single issue non-resident from PA to fully grasp the importance of all this or the bright horizon we are approaching but we can expect the continued and tedious and predictable and uninformed lamenting he will want to engage in as he presses his nose against the glass from the outside looking in. Enjoy the view and stay tuned.


And as well as this is going so far, Walker may indeed better Doyle at his own game. I guess we'll have to see what happens. I was a big fan of Scotty, but lately he's showing his true colors, he's a politician, just a 180 degree turn from Doyle.

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Re: Do Politics & Herd Management Mix??

Postby retch sweeny » Sat May 07, 2011 3:18 pm

Yes, those that liked their favorite brand of politics of the past are lamenting the new sheriff in town and the new policy makers and the direction things will be going for years to come. The lefty libs are all about the crying game right now. :( Personally, I find it pretty funny to watch the tantrums, meltdowns and pouting taking place. Plenty of folks ought to be monitored lest they harm themselves. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Do Politics & Herd Management Mix??

Postby Dan Salmon » Sat May 07, 2011 3:29 pm

Just what Wisconsin and America needs, polar Ideologues, one right after the other. So much for progress or any real fix to any real problems.

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Re: Do Politics & Herd Management Mix??

Postby retch sweeny » Sat May 07, 2011 6:32 pm

Yes, fixing the problems indeed. Your welcome. :D

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Re: Do Politics & Herd Management Mix??

Postby Dan Salmon » Sat May 07, 2011 9:30 pm

No, you missed the point. Fixing real problems.

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Re: Do Politics & Herd Management Mix??

Postby Dan Salmon » Sat May 07, 2011 9:58 pm

And yet another dissenter.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/outdoors/121293273.html

It looks as though the majority is starting to speak. Let's wait and see what kind of Pelosi/Reed/Obama backdoor crap WBH can pull before the gig is up.

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Re: Do Politics & Herd Management Mix??

Postby retch sweeny » Sat May 07, 2011 10:21 pm

Dan Salmon wrote:No, you missed the point. Fixing real problems.


Based on the votes of the super majority that bothered to make their opinions known in 2009 at the spring hearings, EAB is the real problem they want fixed. Thankfully, the legislature is listening and doing the job they are elected to do. They are tasked with oversight over the DNR and other bureaucracies. EAB is a tool that breaks more important tools. Tools that are a must in managing the deer herd. (SAK) since the DNR would not do away with it even under the advice of the SAK audit team, and after it was proven to destroy population estimates, the legislature had no choice but to exercise its authority over the DNR. Had the Dept, not brought this upon themselves, the legislature would not need to intervene.

The question on the table brought to us from a lamentor in PA is do politics and herd management mix? The answer is most definitely yes and thank gawd for the WI constitution that keeps it that way or we would have continued to have EAB and population estimates exactly opposite the true population.

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Re: Do Politics & Herd Management Mix??

Postby Tim50 » Sun May 08, 2011 12:52 am

And what happens in 4 years when all these political appointee's possibly move on? The resource will still be there. Can the resource survive being managed 4 years at a time? Being managed for political favors & votes? Natural resources SHOULD be managed by qulified people with an eye to the future, to the next generation not the next election! For a supposed hunting organization like the WBH to sell out to the legislature is a disgrace. It now shows their true colors. Maybe this WILL work out for the Wisconsin hunter. It may awaken the sleeping giant being the gun hunter! Becareful what the bowhunters wish for! Once you bring the legislature into this issue it will no longer what is right for the resource BUT what will serve the politican BEST for the next election!!! Most states hunting organizations fight tooth & nail to keep politics out of the DNR! There is/was a reason to keep the politics out of the DNR! You & your type are currently so drunk with your new found power you jumped right into bed with them!!!

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Re: Do Politics & Herd Management Mix??

Postby Dan Salmon » Sun May 08, 2011 6:26 am

C'mon Retch, you know that statistics, in this case population estimates, can be moved one way or another by the assumptions that are made. It seems that during the Doyle years that the assumptions were made that the public was stupid and would believe anything that was fed to them.

There is absolutely a way to tweak the SAK model to include assumptions due to EAB and predation and get good statistical models for populations. The audit team said as much, they just didn't know specifically without studying the population dynamics and were smart not to suggest what to do so groups like yours couldn't throw them under the bus if it didn't work the first time around. The studies that are now being done will certainly open biologists to some new insights in these areas, it's too bad that the right here, right now crowd can't let the professionals do their jobs.

Not much of a Hunters or Conservation Group in my mind that pedals to the fast and easy fix for today without looking down the road to see what is best for the resource. There are still plenty of deer in Wisconsin and plenty of Big Bucks, which it seems is all people want to shoot, but still want to look at 100's of deer each day in general.

That, as we have seen, is not sustainable biologically or socially, but it is popular with an increasingly aging and less mobile population of hunters in Wisconsin. Not to mention a group of young hunters that have never had to hunt, they could just go sit anywhere in the woods and shoot a deer. Could be why we are seeing a drop off in hunters in their 30's and 40's. Hunting is now more like work, you actually have to think and work to see a deer and it's no longer fun because of it.

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