BigIron wrote:Wow. So that's it? You folks agree with the putz that put that piece of trash together and published it? So you agree that high fenced operations and breeding facilities are all that way? All because he found some that are the lowest common denominator?
Because that was his purpose. To paint all high fenced operations with the same brush. Now THAT'S pathetic. Canniballism run amok. I don't know anyone who drugs deer or "hunts" them in pens. And I know hundreds of breeders and high fenced operations.
BigIron, Don't try to lump me in any group. I expressed my own opinion of the clip I saw. That behavior was despicable. I do not believe it is the norm, anymore than poaching is the norm, or .spotlighting. What I saw was criminal, wiether the law agrees or not. How deer farmers grow their animals is us to them, but don't tell that was a "hunt". I appreciate an impressive deer, both buck and doe, for the meat, for the challenge, for the experience , and for the skills I hone as I pass them on to my son, and others, But, I hope I will never understand Antler Madness. To do so, might just destroy hunting for me entirely. For me. those bones on the wall are nothing more than reminders of the hunt, a marker along my path, or a book marker in my story. .I prefer my story be written with honor and sportsmanship, and dedication to craft, in the hopes that my son will write the next chapter. Even if this "hunt" were free of charge, I would not do as these men did. That is my choice, you are free to make your own. That is the beauty of having so many ways to hunt, if one method fails to satisfy, try another. You are welcome to this method, if you care for it, but it leaves me cold. I will take a different path. For me, the journey matters more than the postcards gathered along the way.
No BigIron, you did not. You lumped us all together with the putz. You then compared it with the "guns of Autumn" hit piece, swapped insults with Slots, gloated, took a cheap shot at Slots, Complained about guys filling their freezers (the primary reason to hunt since the dawn of time has been to feed people), claimed you must fence in self defense, complained about having only one shot (how many do you need? I only get one.) I made a small jest about hunting in a petting zoo. A jest I have made before on this site
(you missed the humor) decided it was some veiled comment. You then accused Slots of hunting the only cover and using bait (forbidden where he is) You claim you can't pattern deer where you are, (though I would say the deer are patterning you. That would be why they are getting harder to find.) You then got personal with Slots. You then inferred I was full of crap. I explained the difference between hunting with a fence and without a fence, You declare I'm talking trash, You state I have the only source of cover and the only food source covered (completely false, in fact the reverse is true.) you then claim to attack in self defense( again false) extol my hypocrisy, my ignorance, and claim it is entertaining (mockery) then you get personal again, a couple of guys defend their right to their own opinion, I explain I may not know deer farming, but I do know fences, You then again misunderstand the same jest about "petting zoo" and decide it means you could be displaced on your own land (not sure how that would work) You then claim I am implying your deer have no escape (WTF?) Of course, that would be the reason for the FENCE! Then more personal comments, followed by "Then to top it off u compare hi fence ops to a jail cell." I don't quite see the problem with that. You take a free ranging animal and restrict it's movement to a much smaller area than it would wander naturally, I would call that prison, with no chance of parole, and an executioner when he gets around to it. It may be legal, it might even be necessary where you are, but it does not appeal to me. Our comments, up until you jumped in were directed at very poor examples of hunting that DID HAPPEN and WERE FILMED. You made the leap, that we believed this behavior to be the norm among high fence outfits. To the best of my knowledge, no one else made that leap. Now, as for that reading comprehension course, you might try your local college for evening or night classes.
The only real difference between a good tracker and a bad tracker is observation. All the same data is present for both. The rest is understanding what you are seeing.