Licence Fees to Increase

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Licence Fees to Increase

Postby JPH » Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:30 am

According to a story on WHO radio this morning, the DNR is in the red due to lost revenue resulting from the 2008 floods. We are told to expect hunting and fishing licence fee increases in 2009.
 
No specifics. If anyone catches wind of anything please post it here.

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RE: Licence Fees to Increase

Postby OUTDOOR JUNKY » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:57 am

[font="times new roman"]This story was in the Hawkeye Monday morning.  A hunting buddy told me about it while we were pheasant hunting.  Once again all the money duties fall on the hands of Iowa hunters.  All the thousands of Iowans who enjoy the parks and don't hunt or fish get another free ride on paying for Iowa's parks.  It's time for the people of Iowa to pay their "fare" share and stop using hunting and fishing funds which don't seem to find their way to southern Iowa much.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]I remember back in the 80's one needed a sticker on their car to use state parks.  Why don't we require a licence fee to use our parks for non-hunters or non-fishers.  Iowa hunters have to pay for hunting licences, habitat fee, and a deer license just to hunt deer.  $54 for your first deer... pretty pricy.  While the citizens, some of whom try to undermind our rights to hunt and fish, (freeloaders get to enjoy it for free...)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Why doesn't the Iowa DNR suggest getting revenue from some other group besides hunters and people who fish?  Because this is the only way they can get funds.  But just look at this years sales of hunting licenses...  they are way down.   Could it be the economy?  Or could it be the fees are just too high for most of our fellow hunters. [/font]
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[font="times new roman"]I'm sorry but hunting is still a way for people like me to get food on the table.  But when it's cheaper to by two turkeys at the local grocery store than purchase a turkey tag... I'm going to the store.  I'll save even more to because I'm not paying for shells, calls, decoys, camo, and multiple trips to the woods.  Now the Iowa DNR wants more...  get a grip and see the numbers tumble even more.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Don't get me wrong.  I love to hunt.  But when the rules and the fees keep on making it harder for me to justify hunting.  I'm not going to spend the cash only to see others get to enjoy the outdoors without really doing anything for it.  Sure the city folk are talking about "Green"  but this is only a sales gimic to make them feel good about saving energy.  They don't do anything for our parks except try to push those of us who pay for them out farther and farther.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Then we have the who anti-gun group..  don't get me started.  We hunters (GUN OWNERS) do more for the enviroment than any other group.  But we find ourselves under attack and now it's the Iowa DNR who is trying to push even more of us away from something that keeps them funded, by raising our fees even more.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Maybe the Iowa DNR needs to lower prices to raise the number of hunting and fishing licenses and get the base back....[/font]
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RE: Licence Fees to Increase

Postby ranwin33 » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:27 pm

Sounds like they heard what Missouri did.
“There are two spiritual dangers in not owning a farm. One is the danger of supposing that breakfast comes from the grocery, and the other that heat comes from the furnace.”
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RE: Licence Fees to Increase

Postby OUTDOOR JUNKY » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:53 am

The thing the member above seems to forget.  Simple quotes from Aldo Leopold are quant, but they don't really discuss the issue at hand. 
 
We live in a package society.  They don't care about philosophical poems of dead people.  We need to discuss issues.
 
We need to stand up and say "NO" and look at the impact higher fees have on our sport.  We're driving more and more people away from hunting by our own DNR's.
 
On one hand, higher fees lead to fewer hunters, giving those of us who hunt public ground less pressure, but on the other hand, fewer hunters gives us less clout when it come to our future.
 
I'm sorry but it just feels like when we went from looking at hunting as a way to put food on the table, to an enterainment sport the DNR only sees $$$$.  This gread and perspective has lead to the decline in license sales.
 
When a tag cost more than purchasing two turkeys at the local grocery store, the DNR needs to realize that the bottom line of most people won't justify purchasing a tag.  The DNR sees it as entertainment and people will pay higher fees if they think it's entertainment as well.  The DNR and Iowa Representives push the fees on licenses to levels which are too high.
 
I know some will argue that we need the money to fund the DNR.  I agree, but the DNR should be focused on conservation, but they all seem to be driving new cars and trucks.  I have yet to find a DNR officer driving a vehicle older than mine.  Oh thats right, my buget can't afford a new vehicle so I have to drive used vehicles.
 
On my part, it's also hard to swallow the DNR's plea for more money when they don't spend much in southern Iowa.  Go up north around Des Moines or Okoboji and see all the nice shelter houses, paved trails and roads, while those of us in the south are lucky to have a gravel parking area when we go out to enjoy our parks.
 
It's not just the DNR's fault.  Just look at shotgun shell prices.  I reload and know that their isn't much difference in cost when loading for different performance needs.  Marketing has been used and by putting a pheasant on a box of shells the company usually doubles the price tag, put a turkey on the box and lower the numbers of shells to ten seems to triple the cost of the shells, putting a deer on the box and new advances in bullet design can make shooting a slug more expensive than shooting a high power... and you get 20 shells with a box of high power and only 5 shot gun shells.
 
I guess this is why America is in a resesion.  We aren't satified with standard anything and pay too much for simple things.
 
Why my views?
 
My dad wasn't into hunting.  I was blessed with two people who opened the door for me by letting me hunt on their ground.  One was a church member and the other an assistant scout member.
 
I've spent countless hours on these peices of ground and treat them like my own.  I've harvested many animals and learned a ton about wildlife.  I even used borrowed fire arms trying to match the gun to the game.  The gerosity of many has helped me not only become a better hunter, but a better person.
 
My fear is that hunting is becoming a sport only for the privaliged.  I see farms being purchased soully for the purpuse of hunting.  Acces is cut off to neighbors and even long time hunters of the property.  The old school of letting people hunt on your property is being changed to No trespassing signs or paying for hunting. 
 
The higher cost of ammo is also a concern.  Growing up I spent a lot of time on the range, and I've learned that the more you shoot the better one is when it comes to harvesting game.  It builds confidence.
 
The marketing ploys used by ammo manufactures, make people believe they can't harvest a specific animal unless you use a specific line of shells.  The high price tag, on these special shells, leads most hunters to practice less.   They have confidence in their ammo, but not in thier skills.  When they miss, they blame the gun or the ammo...
 
Why is this a concern?
 
How will future kids afford to hunt?  How will future kids find a place to hunt?  How will parents justify spending money on hunting?  This is already happening....
 
The number of hunters is on the decline.  The median age of hunters continues to rise.  Hunting regulations almost seem to be counter to promoting hunting for our youth.  DNR's never give out free tags or licenses to young hunters.
 
Minnesota is the only state that I know of that actually offers classes not only to educate people on the regulations, but on techniques on harvesting specific species.  They want people to be successful... 
 
As hunter numbers fall, we loose more ground against groups like PETA and those who are against gun ownership. 
 
We need the DNR to be a leader in promoting hunting and educating people on hunting.  We need the DNR to open more private ground public hunting.  We need the DNR to give out free deer tags to young or old hunters who pass their hunter safety courses.  We need the DNR to educate people on techniques on harvesting specific game species.  We need the DNR to be pro hunting and pro gun.
 
The Iowa DNR needs to look at other resourses of revenue besides people who hunt or fish.  This well of revenue is getting shallower and shallower...  the path the DNR is on will lead to a dry well and a very thirsty DNR.  As hunters, we'll find our way of life changed forever and maybe lost forever.

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RE: Licence Fees to Increase

Postby JPH » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:19 am

Outdoor Junky, do you realize that the Aldo Leopold quote is his signature line and had been tagged to all of his posts since day one? It was not intended as a specific reply to your post.


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