NY Proposes Toughest Gun Law In The Nation

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NY Proposes Toughest Gun Law In The Nation

Postby Woods Walker » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:13 am

"ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — New York lawmakers agreed to pass the toughest gun control law in the nation and the first since the Newtown, Conn., school shooting, calling for a stricter assault weapons ban and provisions to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill who make threats.

"This is a scourge on society," Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Monday night, six days after making gun control a centerpiece of his agenda in his State of the State address. The bipartisan effort was fueled by the Newtown tragedy that took the lives of 20 first graders and six educators. "At what point do you say, 'No more innocent loss of life'?"

The measure also calls for restrictions on ammunition and the sale of guns. It is expected to pass Tuesday.

"This is not about taking anyone's rights away," said Sen. Jeffrey Klein, a Bronx Democrat. "It's about a safe society ... today we are setting the mark for the rest of the county to do what's right."

Under current state law, assault weapons are defined by having two "military rifle" features, such as folding stock, muzzle flash suppressor or bayonet mount. The proposal would reduce that to one feature, including the popular pistol grip. The language specifically targeted the military-style rifle used in the Newtown shootings.

Current owners of those guns will have to register them.

Private sales of assault weapons to someone other than an immediate family would be subject to a background check through a dealer. New Yorkers also would be barred from buying assault weapons over the Internet, and failing to safely store a weapon could lead to a misdemeanor charge.

Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.

Stores that sell ammunition will have to register with the state, run background checks on buyers of bullets and keep an electronic database of bullet sales.

In another provision, a therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat to use a gun illegally would be required to report it to a mental health director who would have to notify the state. A patient's gun could be taken from him or her.

The legislation also increases sentences for gun crimes including the shooting of a first responder that Cuomo called the "Webster provision." Last month in the western New York town of Webster, two firefighters were killed after responding to a fire set by the shooter, who eventually killed himself.

The measure passed the Senate 43-18 on the strength of support from Democrats, many of whom previously sponsored bills that were once blocked by Republicans. The Democrat-led Assembly gaveled out before midnight and planned to take the issue up at 10 a.m. Tuesday. It is expected to pass easily.

The governor confirmed the proposal, previously worked out in closed session, also would mandate a police registry of assault weapons, grandfathering in assault weapons already in private hands.

It was agreed upon exactly a month since the Sandy Hook Elementary School tragedy.

"It is well-balanced, it protects the Second Amendment," said Senate Republican leader Dean Skelos of Long Island.

Cuomo said he wanted quick action to avoid a run on assault weapons and ammunition. He estimates there are already about 1 million assault weapons in New York state.

Republican Sen. Greg Ball called that political opportunism in a rare criticism of the popular and powerful governor seen by his supporters as a possible candidate for president in 2016.

"We haven't saved any lives tonight, except one: the political life of a governor who wants to be president," said Ball who represents part of the Hudson Valley. "We have taken an entire category of firearms that are currently legal that are in the homes of law-abiding, tax paying citizens. ... We are now turning those law-abiding citizens into criminals."

In the gun debate, one concern for New York is its major gun manufacturer upstate.

Remington Arms Co. makes the Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle that was used in the Connecticut shootings and again on Christmas Eve when the two firefighters were slain in Webster. The two-century-old Remington factory in Ilion in central New York employs 1,000 workers in a Republican Senate district.

The bill was the first test of the new coalition in control of the Senate, which has long been run by Republicans opposed to gun control measures. The chamber is now in the hands of Republicans and five breakaway Democrats led by Klein, an arrangement expected to result in more progressive legislation.

Former Republican Sen. Michael Balboni said that for legislators from the more conservative upstate region of New York, gun control "has the intensity of the gay marriage issue." In 2011, three of four Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote for same-sex marriage ended up losing their jobs because of their votes."
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Re: NY Proposes Toughest Gun Law In The Nation

Postby Woods Walker » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:17 am

Now I can sleep at night knowing that they can only have 7 shot clips and not 10s. WHEW! Thank goodness for "common sense" legislation.

What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" do they not understand???

Get ready folks, Obama's going to try and ram this down ALL of our throats.

You can't negotiate with these people, you cannot compromise. You cannot be "reasonable", because they aren't. Never, ever. They have one goal and one goal only...the termination of our 2A rights, period. They will never be satisfied, they will never rest....and neither can we.
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Re: NY Proposes Toughest Gun Law In The Nation

Postby Deebz » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:37 pm

A couple of things I actually like about this law: the stiffer penalties for people who commit crimes with guns, and the focus on the mentally ill persons making threats both seem sensible to me. These are things that might actually have an impact as far as preventing the crimes in the first place...I really don't even have a problem with requiring a background check through a dealer for a private sale. I can see how that would help to keep people who have been convicted of crimes in the past from getting guns...

What is absolutely ridiculous is the fact that they are making weapons illegal based solely on COSMETIC features!! How in world does a pistol grip make a weapon more deadly? or a collapsable stock?? a BAYONET MOUNT for crying out loud!?!? yes... lets make a gun illegal because it can be transformed into knife... Limiting magazine capacity is also pointless. How long does it take someone who spends 1/2 hour practicing to switch out a clip?? I'm guessing the average is going to be less than 1 second... totally pointless to even consider that limiting magazine capacity is going to have any impact whatsoever on gun violence
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Re: NY Proposes Toughest Gun Law In The Nation

Postby Ohio farms » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:40 pm

What Deebz said...I agree.
Focusing on three cosmetic parts a gun and that is going to solve anything? How idiotic.
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Re: NY Proposes Toughest Gun Law In The Nation

Postby Woods Walker » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:24 pm

If magazines that can hold more than 7 rounds are evil and bad, and subsequently banned, then I would assume that Gov. Cuomo has seen to it that his security detail that protects himself and his family have also relinquished any magazines and "evil" looking weapons that the rest of the people of New York can no longer have.

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Re: NY Proposes Toughest Gun Law In The Nation

Postby JPH » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:41 pm

Ah, I happen to know someone on the NYSP Gov Detail and I can tell you he is not limited to 7 rds. In fact, he carries a Glock 9mm with multiple 19rd mags. That being said, there is a realistic potential that he could find himself in a situation where he might be required to use suppressive fire and an offensive or even defensive manner. That potential for you and I is pretty much non-existent.

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Re: NY Proposes Toughest Gun Law In The Nation

Postby Woods Walker » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:19 pm

So why does Cuomo have that right but the rest of us don't??? Why is the life of him and his family more important than ours? Any why 7 rounds? Why not 1? This whole argument makes no sense from a practical standpoint. It's all about limiting bit by bit the 2A freedoms that we still do have. If they can make it 7, then they can make it 1...or NONE.
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Re: NY Proposes Toughest Gun Law In The Nation

Postby Montana Man » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:21 am

I’m surprise they didn’t do an add campaign saying that the large soft drinks is what makes people go crazy. Why are people putting up with this?

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Re: NY Proposes Toughest Gun Law In The Nation

Postby JPH » Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:24 am

I was not making a value statement about Cuomo's life vs mine. Or a value statement about my life vs a random movie goer, student, or volunteer firefighter.

I was just stating a fact and confirming your suspicions about the mag capacity available to the NYSP Troopers who guard him. Secondly, I was making an amateur tactical assessment regarding the potential shooting scenario they might encounter vs you or I.

I've already explained that I am open to the idea of limits on mag capacity but I was not commenting to throw my support behind Cuomo's proposal. I think it comes with far too many strings attached and has a hidden agenda. I see no evil in the object and I am totally opposed to the banning of any firearms that are currently legal. I'm just adding to the conversation.

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