Are there any real whitetail trohpy hunters left !

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Re: Are there any real whitetail trohpy hunters left !

Postby tomtana59911 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:16 am

hendo64 wrote:I'm not sure who hates hunters more. PETA or other hunters. There is nothing but hate between different hunting styles. If we as hunters don't learn to stand together it will be easier and easier for anti-hunters to tear hunting apart. By the way good sir, Midwest deer are just as wild as anything you hunt out there. Food plots provide food, not "tame" them LOL.



I have no problem with a food plot as long as you dont hunt over them.Why dont I just go out and fish my small pond that I stalked with trout for my ten year old daughter and be so proud of myself then get pictures and mount my true acomplishment on the wall.You guys should be real proud of yourselves.next youll be using remote weapons so you dont have to get out of bed

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Re: Are there any real whitetail trohpy hunters left !

Postby Sailfish » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:03 am

Wow did this thread take off!!
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Re: Are there any real whitetail trohpy hunters left !

Postby kellory » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:34 am

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A crossroads is the best location for a tavern. I came here looking for information on hunting wild boar in my area, Got a google hit here and found I liked it here. This place is like an old time tavern, with a roaring fire, roasting meat on a spit, the sound of good companions in laughter and jest, and the smells of fresh baked bread and wood smoke. Friends dropping in from time to time, and the locals gathered around the poker game. Swapping stories, passing photos, enjoying the company of men and women I can respect. So belly up to the bar, and pick your poisin, and stick around awhile, There is always a good book, or a tall tale to pique your interest, and the meat is the best there is because you took it yourself, that very morning, and the juices are drippin'.....yummmm


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Re: Are there any real whitetail trohpy hunters left !

Postby rthomas4 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:13 pm

tomtanna, no one claims to be trophy hunters when we discuss hunting over food plots or bait piles. As a matter of fact, most of us stated up front that we hunt for meat ( last I heard, you can't eat bone). So, if you're a trophy hunter that's fine, I just hope you aren't one of those slob hunters who only kill for the trophy and waste the meat. It's obvious you have your prejudices, and I actually suspect that you are jealous of those of us who have taken the time and money and invested it into our own little piece of hunting property. So, if you continue to persist in trying to widen the chasm and assist the anti-hunting groups might I suggest you relocate to one of their forums and spout your bull sh*t somewhere else, instead of bothering the rest of us who actually work to develop the animals we hunt. You have become an obnoxious bore, beginning with the first post in this thread, and becoming increasingly so with the last one!
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Re: Are there any real whitetail trohpy hunters left !

Postby croz2173 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:45 pm

My apologies to the rest of you guys for trying to be nice to him with my first post. Why anyone would want to put down another hunters legal methods 1000 miles away is beyond me. Enjoy your hunt and keep it to yourself if your purpose is to boast about how much skill and effort it took while everybody else has it so easy.

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Re: Are there any real whitetail trohpy hunters left !

Postby msbadger » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:59 am

Ms badger,didnt mean to backhand anyone,


You guys should be real proud of yourselves.next you'll be using remote weapons so you don't have to get out of bed


The above is exactly why I said you make me laugh...I saw this coming from a mile off...lol..I can't get riled at such post because..well ...some guys just can't help but get caught up in their own hype...Everyone has their own skill sets...and mind sets..I'm a woman hunter that is a loner in all I do by choice (yet married into a hunting family)...because I look at hunting...shoot ....approach game and land management differently...taken for this area some rather nice animals ..but one will never find a stuffed head or even the fans and beards of nice turkeys on my walls....When I leave home and go to camp...no plots...hell no trails and arrow a deer ...shooting instinctively...I don't look at it as wow look how much better I am then any one else...or when I walk out in the pitch dark to walk a mile to my stand without a flash light carrying a bow in one hand and a 6in knife in the other...after just opening up the my trucks passenger door to find the blk bear I came to hunt... standing on his hind legs looking at me from the drivers door window.....It's just another day hunting...memory under my belt...doesn't make me any better than any other hunter out there with their own experiences....
So I laugh and feel a tad sad ...that you feel a need to weigh your experiences against those of others to make them better for you...

PS... if you stocked a pond and took your 10 yr old daughter fishing with you ...that experience alone should be all the trophy one should need
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Re: Are there any real whitetail trohpy hunters left !

Postby shaman » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:24 am

I think there are a couple of things here that get lost on a lot of us. It leads to these kind of arguments.

First off, the idea of what is "Wilderness." I've written about this before. Y'all have to remember that we logged off the Wilderness back before 1900. Whitetail deer were nearly extirpated. If you go anywhere and hunt, you are probably hunting :

a) On second (or THIRD!) growth forest.
b) Deer whose ancestors were trapped and penned and salted into the area in order to reintroduce them

So it is just a matter of how much fantasy you are willing to accept. Where I am, on my 200 acres, the forest was cut before 1830. The trees that were there grew there starting about 80 years ago as the hillsides became useless from erosion. You can still see the erosion gullies that scarred the landscape, even though it is now covered by fairly mature oak/hickory savannah. Me? I'm happy as a clam to be able to be there. I don't feel my deer is somehow less wild than one I might take from Alberta or Maine or some spot like that. Truth is, none of that is virgin forest either.

Y'all have to remember that old mature forest is not what the whitetail is all about. Deer like the edges of things. They like were forest meets field. You get under 80 foot canopies with nothing but moss on the floor, you are in a whitetail desert. On the other hand, you take a fallow field, do some strip disking and edge feathering and let thing generally go for a few years, and you'll generally have deer crawling up your leg. Sure, it does not sound exotic. However, how else are you going to get some schmuck to lay down $5 grand to hunt a freaking desert if you don't tell a whopper of a story. Oh Yeah! These deer aren't TAME deer. These deer up here are WILD deer. They never have seen the sight of man before. Blah Blah Blah. . .

Deer hunting is like a zen garden. It reminds us of what it is to be in touch with Nature even though we are in a highly manipulated, man made environment. We can't have WILD anymore, but we can experience wild just by turning our tree stand so we can't see the Walmart parking lot and trying our best to tune out the noise from the interstate. If your imagination does not work that well, there's a guy in Alberta that will let you hunt his place. However, it's all been logged at least once.

One other thing: don't think hunting virgin forest is all that cool. I've hiked in real honest-to-goodness virgin forest. If a forest gets left alone for a thousand years, it gets very uneven. Big trees fall over and leave huge root balls, there are craters everywhere, and at the bottom of the crater is a little pond. It is an absolute bear to hike through, and if there was a deer in there, it could be 10 yards away, and you'd never see it. Even though the topo shows no change in elevation, you're going up and down constantly.

The other thing that really boil smy bunny about all this is the insistence that deer are not wild. Sure, if you keep them in a pen and feed them everyday, you are going to get them pretty well trained. However, most folks can't afford the elaborate fencing. A guy like me has waist-high cattle fencing to mark the property line. Deer can clear that without thinking. They are free ranging.

Now, you go and spend $10K on habitat improvements. What happens? You get doe. You get lots of doe. You get lots of nice fat, happy contented doe. Are these what you spent the $10K for? No! You want toads, hogs, monsters-- you want TROPHIES!!!. Is that $10K going to get you tame trophies? Heck no. Those trophy bucks are going to come by and eat at your trough, munch the salad in your field, lick your salt block and then take off for the other side of the county. The only think that $10K buys you doe that stay around and act as bait. Those trophy bucks will cruise through, smell a doe coming into season, and stick around a day. Wild? Bucks in the deepest woods probably don't know squat about humans. I've had the occasional deer on canoe trips just up and walk into camp. If , by wild, you mean schooled in the ways of man, then bucks here in the Trans-Bluegrass are wild. They are cagey and elusive. Just look at the bowhunting kills in September for Zone 1 in KY. You'll see my point.

Tame? If you mean, come up and eat out of your hand, forget it. Not here, not up North. However, if you want a deer that does not know what cigarette smoke smells like or what human pit-stink smells like, you are more likely to get that out away from humans than around where I am. I had a doe up in my back yard at the farm Saturday night-- just walked up between the sheds looking for dandelions under the meat pole where I hadn't mowed yet. Cagey? If Angus had not been going in the house for another can of grape pop, we'd have missed her. We have these interactions with deer all the time. I've had them even come up and peer in the windows. However, you're not going to tell me these deer are tame. They just know us better than we do. I can be out for a 5 hour sit in my stand 3/4 of a mile from the house and see nothing, walk in and find a huge deer print smack dab in the middle of one of my boot prints less than 50 yards from the house.
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Re: Are there any real whitetail trohpy hunters left !

Postby kellory » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:11 pm

tomtana59911 wrote:
hendo64 wrote:I'm not sure who hates hunters more. PETA or other hunters. There is nothing but hate between different hunting styles. If we as hunters don't learn to stand together it will be easier and easier for anti-hunters to tear hunting apart. By the way good sir, Midwest deer are just as wild as anything you hunt out there. Food plots provide food, not "tame" them LOL.



I have no problem with a food plot as long as you dont hunt over them.Why dont I just go out and fish my small pond that I stalked with trout for my ten year old daughter and be so proud of myself then get pictures and mount my true acomplishment on the wall.You guys should be real proud of yourselves.next youll be using remote weapons so you dont have to get out of bed



" Hand-me-down guns are forged links of shared memories and family connections. To carry my Grandfather's gun, as he did, matters more to me than some bones on the wall ever could." Mister, I don't have any mounts, nor do I care much about bones.I honestly don't see much value in "Trophy Hunting".It's the journey, not the destination that matters most with me. Those deer I kill, I eat. Some have racks, some don't. those that do, get cut off, and screwed to the wall of the cabin, and used for a hat rack, or a bow hanger. If it doesn't have a use....it is of little value to me.

Now, ....of what use are you? ;)
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Re: Are there any real whitetail trohpy hunters left !

Postby shaman » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:03 am

I was thinking about this thread again overnight.

You know, this really gets to the heart of this whole deer porn thing. Whitetail deer hunting, at its heart, is a very egalitarian, working-stiff kind of hunting. It makes big game hunting available to anyone. The deer are everywhere now. You and your kid can go out to the local WMA or your uncle's farm and experience the same kind of fun and excitement that used to take a serious wad of cash. But somebody wants to muck that up.

Oh no! Don't hunt those "tame" deer close to home. Come to [blank] and hunt REAL deer.

WT . . .?

A few years ago, I had a neighbor tell me he'd leased out his property to some city slickers and was going to Illinois to hunt for real trophy deer. I forget now what he came back with, it was unremarkable. Meanwhile I came up with my 270 pounder with the 165 inch rack. Still, he said the trip was worth it, because that was "REAL" deer hunting.

Huh? Wait. Somehow, some way, you pay $5K for a deer hunt and that makes it more real? Sure, you get to get away, you get to hang out somewhere different, eat somebody else's food, but are the deer more "real," more "wild," "better?" This guy had obviously watched too much deer porn.

I'm not against going to Texas or Illinois or Iowa. I'd love to go visiting. Heck, I'd be happy to get an invite in Ohio again. However, the deer I hunt are going to be basically the same. Sure, if I go hunt out west, the terrain is going to be different. If I go up North, it's going to be colder.

In my railings over deer porn the past few years, I've said the problem I have with it is that it gives folks the wrong ideas:

1) In deer porn, everything seems to resolve itself in 30 minutes (including commercials)
2) In deer porn, everything has a sound track.
3) In deer porn, everyone is competing
4) In deer porn, it is all about big antlers and lots of deer
5) In deer porn, everyone jumps around and high fives and sticks their face in the camera and makes hand gestures

In the real world things can take all season to work out. You may go a week without seeing a deer. Some threads take several seasons to resolve. Most of real deer hunting is about as interesting as watching paint dry.

One time we had a doofus on an ATV, roaming the neighbors on the Opener. He had a boom box playing heavy metal-- brought his own sound track with him. He'd roll out on one of the finger ridges. Stop, turn on his boombox, play it while he used his binos, and then take off for the next ridge. That boy had watched too much deer porn

Who here gets wound up in competing for deer? My sons don't compete with me for the biggest buck. I don't compete with the neighbors for the biggest. There's probably a big buck contest out there somewhere, but I don't know about it. One year, I went to check my buck at a convenience store, and the lady said I had the biggest buck seen so far that year and for $5 I could enter the store's contest. I declined. My son gets an 8 pointer. I get a 10. Does that mean I do a happy dance and make stupid noises? Did I "bury" him? Did I "burn" him? Did he lose? Am I missing something

In the real world, I've had the biggest buck of my life and been on floating on the cloud only to drive over to the processor and see a 300 lb carcass hanging up. Talk about buzz kill. Still, I was happy. On the other hand, I've dragged a 110 doe out of the back of the truck in the pouring rain on the last day of season and drove home feeling like I had been blessed by God. Heck, last year, I ate tag soup after passing on a 10-pointer in ML season. I still had fun, but the last day got pretty rugged and I did not get warmed back up until long after I got home and had a shower and hot meal.

I settle in, turn on the TV looking for a football game and manage to find Ted Nugent on the tube getting all wound up like a hyperactive setter about how THIS was the ultimate experience and how THIS was Man was supposed to do and how GRATEFUL he was for the outfitter for providing . . . I was still too cold and hungry otherwise I'd have thrown the soup at the screen.
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Re: Are there any real whitetail trohpy hunters left !

Postby hendo64 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:37 am

I hunt over food plots or in the woods, use compound or recurve bow depending on what I'm feeling that day. I also use shotgun, rifle, muzzleloader depending on what season it is. I hunt on the ground and out of treestands, preferring treestands. I also like following QDM and holding off for mature whitetails. Score of the antlers doesn't matter to much as long as the deer is mature although you have a better chance at a high scoring deer when it is mature ( I'm calling mature for me 4.5 years old because where I hunt that is a realistic goal) I have one mount on the wall and that deer only scores in the low 140's it just has a lot of meaning to me as it was the last hunt I went on with the man that raised me and taught me how to hunt. I also love eating deer meat just like all of you. Every animal I kill winds up on my stove for my kids and I to enjoy. What did I miss?

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