308 or 7mm Rem Mag

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308 or 7mm Rem Mag

Postby Panth3r427 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:31 pm

Hello all,
I need some help, I'm not sure what caliber to get. Either a 308 or 7MM Rem Mag. I already have two 30.06 's and want something that will reach farther and shoot flatter. Any ideas would be nice. Thanks !

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Re: 308 or 7mm Rem Mag

Postby gatodoc » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:23 pm

I know nothing of the 7mm, but I truly love my Remington 700 VTR 308. The cartridges available for it are in good supply and very variable and a lot of ballistics testing is available.

Apparently LE snipers and out armed forces favor the caliber too...

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Re: 308 or 7mm Rem Mag

Postby shaman » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:31 am

Give us some more of an idea on your hunting conditions.
I take it we're talking whitetail deer? What distances?
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Re: 308 or 7mm Rem Mag

Postby rthomas4 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:34 pm

The guys I know who have owned .7mm rifles, don't own 'em any more! They claim that the punishment from shooting those guns wasn't worth the minimal rewards. I'm a fan of the .308 and own two rifles in that chambering. I've killed more deer with those rifles than a lot of folks I know who shoot other cartridges, and most of the deer I kill are anywhere from 35 yards to slightly over 200, with most being 80 to 100 yards away. Also, most of the deer I kill are shot in the neck using Winchester SuperX 150 grain power point ammo.

If you plan to do long range shooting at animals such as Moose, or Elk, then I'd suggest going with a .300 or even a .300WSM rather than the .7MM. You'll get just as good results, have just as many bullet weights and options, and won't need shoulder surgery at a later date! BTW, I also own a couple of .270s, a .30-06, and a .300WSM, but my preferred rifle to hunt deer with is my T/C Encore .308, my second choice is my Ruger Mark VII, also in .308.
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Re: 308 or 7mm Rem Mag

Postby Panth3r427 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:17 pm

Hello shaman, i'm gonna use it for whitetail,blacktail,elk and maybe moose. The distances will prolly be anywhere from 50 yds out to 700/800 yds.

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Re: 308 or 7mm Rem Mag

Postby cowboystl1 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:15 am

Why go down from an 06 to a 308 the 06 will shoot the same distance as the 308. if your wanting to shoot bigger game at that distance 300 is what you need 7mm can do it but id rather have the 300 they perform better.

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Re: 308 or 7mm Rem Mag

Postby shaman » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:28 am

Panth3r427 wrote:Hello shaman, i'm gonna use it for whitetail,blacktail,elk and maybe moose. The distances will prolly be anywhere from 50 yds out to 700/800 yds.


Well, the '06 will do a good job on all of them.

The Cowboy is right. 308 will not buy you anything over the '06. It certainly won't be flatter.

7mm Rem Mag won't buy you anything either, at least not when you are talking normal ranges for deer. 700-800 yards is not normal. Most guys take their whitetail deer inside 80 yards.

700-800 yards? That's a whole 'nother animal. My first reaction is to pick up your '06 and get closer. A 700 yard shot is a quite a bit of real-estate to cover.

This sort of reminds me of one of my earlier rants:
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The bottom line is that if you are concerned with long distance hunting, you need to involve yourself in long distance shooting first-- a sport unto itself.
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Re: 308 or 7mm Rem Mag

Postby daleksa1 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:49 pm

As others have pointed out, the .308 won't do anything the .30-06 won't do and is actually a slight step in the opposite direction... The 7mm Magnum (any of the half a dozen or so now on the market) as well as the .300 Magnums (any of the DOZEN or so now on the market) as well as the .270 (original and magnums) will shoot a little flatter than the .30-06. All that being said, I will have to say after all of the time I have spent at shooting ranges I can honestly say most people should NEVER be shooting at deer, elk, moose or anything they plan on recovering past 200 yards. People who are a good shot can stretch that out to about 400 yards but after that it is, for the most part, irresponsible. I have personally taken two mule deer that were between 300-350 yards (using a .308). One I saw go down and the other I had to track about 75 yards to where he crashed. A lot of animals do NOT drop right where they are shot and shots over 450 yards is a quarter of a mile. If you shoot something at that range and it doesn't go down in sight you then have to cross broken terrain for a quarter of a mile and try to find EXACTLY where it was when you shot and hope to find a blood trail to follow... the odds aren't in your favor. I once shot a buck with a 12 gauge slug that ran a good 40 yards before the blood trail started... He was up hill from me and I hit him behind his right shoulder, half way up, and the slug exited just below the spine on his left side. He only went about 60 yards but even then everything took place within a 100 yards of where I stood to where he went down... When you are trying to find blood drops on something you shot at that was a quarter to a half a mile away you are really pushing it. I would save the long range shooting for paper targets, metal silhouettes and maybe varmints.


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