Web-based license sales and game-check system for Ohio

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Postby OHhunter » Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:02 am

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Good for poachers


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poachers are the only ones that benefit


[font=tahoma]Hey guys,  I'm a little confused.  I was just curious on how you guys think that the poachers would be able to exploit this system any more than they do now?  What makes it eaiser for them to poach under this system?[/font]
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[font=tahoma]I agree with hurting the mom & pop stores that are check stations, but I'm confused about the poachers.[/font]



Just my op but I think it gives poachers a little less to worry about for example someone goes out shoots a buck, they go home to do the telecheck what's stopping them from tagging it in as a doe?  Sure most wouldn't but it's making easier for those who would to do so.  There's just less chance of a illegally harvested deer getting noticed if it never has to go through the current process we have.
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Postby shaman » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:35 am

With my experience in KY the last few years with the Telecheck system, I have to say that it has been nothing but good.  It's an 800-based telephone system.  Having an Internet-based system would be even better.  Even at deer camp, I at least have dial-up capability. 

I think of all the mad dashes I've made over the years, trying to:

1)  Find a check station that was open
2)  Get to the check station AND the processor before the latter closes up

 . . . You bet I'm happy when somebody says I can leave the animal hang until morning, so long as I make a call and check it in.

Here's the deal:  A poacher is going to poach no matter what.  The trick is making it as easy to get data into the system.  There's a bonus to KY's Telecheck.  After about 24 hours, the entry shows up in a "Telecheck Review" web page.  If you see your neighbor's big buck on Saturday afternoon, and on Monday you see he's got it checked in as a doe, there's a tipline to call. 

As to the impact on the local check stations, all I can say is this: there is no reason for the party to stop. All you need is a little organization.  Here's a post I made regarding this issue a while back:

The Check Stations are Gone But . . .

Feel free to print this off and show it to your buddies at the gas station or convenience store. There's bound to be a way to get the party crankin' again.
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RE: Web-based license sales and game-check system for Ohio

Postby FFKEVIN » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:54 am

[font=tahoma]I got this info in one of my e-mails from ODNR.  It looks like they pushed back the start a year, from 2010 to 2011 -[/font]
 
Web-Based License and Game Check System To Be Online March 1, 2011
System will better serve sportsmen and women in Ohio 

Columbus, OH - The Ohio Department of Natural Resources, Division of Wildlife has entered into a contract with The Active Network, Inc. to build and implement a Web-based license sales and game check system. This new system will replace the existing, hunting, fishing, and trapping license/permit sales system on March 1, 2011.
 
"This new Web-based license and game check system will strengthen and enhance the Division's fish and wildlife management abilities," said David M. Graham, chief of the Division of Wildlife. "Sound wildlife management ensures healthy, sustainable wildlife populations for the benefit of anglers, hunters, trappers, and wildlife watchers."
 
The new system will incorporate better management and integration of license sales information, hunter education, publication distribution and tracking, special permitting initiatives, controlled hunt allocations, arrest report tracking, and improved game check processes -- all in real time. 
 
The new system will cost $16.3 million over 8 ½ years. Funds to pay for this new system will come from the Wildlife Fund. Money generated from the sale of fishing, hunting, and trapping licenses make up the Wildlife Fund. State tax dollars are not part of this fund.  
 
Prior to the March 1, 2011 implementation date, a number of pilot projects will be implemented in order to ensure the new system's readiness. 
 
Hunters, trappers, and anglers will see minor changes in the appearance of their license, but the licensing process will remain the same. Deer and turkey hunters will be introduced to a new system that will allow them to easily and conveniently check game at a license vendor, by phone or on the Internet.
 
A proposed change to the Ohio Revised Code, currently in House Bill 1, would allow resident landowners the convenience of automated game checking that all other hunters in Ohio would have, but would require them to acquire a free deer or turkey permit in order to use the system.
 
The Active Network is the largest global provider of integrated technology solutions, marketing services, and online media properties that encourage and enable participation in activities and events. The Active Network is either maintaining or developing automated hunting and fishing licenses systems for 26 states.
 
Any customer that would like more information can log on to the Division of Wildlife's web site at wildohio.com. Once on the division's home page, visitors should click on the Proposed License Sales and Game Check System line under the Ohio Wildlife News heading. As the new system moves through development, the wildohio.com Web site will keep customers updated.
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Postby rmestep » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:01 am

Very bad! a few were asked how it would help poachers? I hunted New York and they have the same way of tagging deer. This actually happened a few years back since then I will never go back again with them. There was 6 of us that ventured from Ohio to N. Y. A few deer were taken and 2 hunters went to take there deer home and come back{4 hours round trip}, stop and buy new tags. well what happened is they took them home called N.Y. and got duplicate tags at $5 because they lost there first set. So they harvested twice what they reported. I say they can call in to use the following tags but MUST take them in to be permanently tagged. It will just keep the ethical hunters ethical., And make it hard to get by illegally. Just my 2 cents worth.  

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Postby Ohio farms » Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:46 pm

DNR feels that poachers will poach no matter what system is used.  I think it will be easier to lie on the phone than to someone's face at a check in station.  Feel bad  for the Mom and Pop stores losing the revenue.  I will kind of miss the time spent at the checkin station, looking at the deer, seeing the excitement in someones face standing by their deer...and even showing off my own deer "a little" if I was lucky enough to get a nice one.  It was part of the hunt. 

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Postby 3 to 1 » Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:47 am

I think it will be bad because if someone checks a buck as a doe no one will see it. As far as the neighbor turning someone in, most of them won't be checking each others log-ins anyways. The staw hat army don't have electric or phones anyways, so they probably won't check thier deer anyways. I've seen them pushing propertys they didn't have permission to hunt. If they don't care about some of the other laws then this will be easier for them to not abide by the gov. laws. I'm not saying all of them poach,but I've seen them keep undersize walleye too, so......

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Postby mbeavers8 » Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:33 pm

I can all but gaurantee that the BBBC entries will be fewer in about 5 years after this goes in to affect.  Simply because of what some have already posted:  What is going to stop someone from tagging a 120" 8 as a doe, butcher it up themselves, go out and smoke a 150" and maybe, just maybe call it in as a buck.  I feel that ohio had a good thing going with the personal check-ins again for the obvious reasons of the mom and pops and the "showing off" and just plain talking with people you may never ever meet if it weren't for the check station.  And i read one about the straw hat army, i assume this is the Amish folks.  I have had bad run ins with them trespassing and you tell them they are trespassing and they jsut dont care.  This is going to turn out bad for Ohio's Big Bucks.  The juniors wont have a chance to grow up.  Again this is just an opinion.

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Postby OHIOCE » Tue May 11, 2010 4:52 am

I Like it, poachers and other dishonest people will never be completely controlled, I have learned that from my dealings with tresspassers.  This is from ODNR:
 
"Will save hunters and anglers on fuel costs, time, and frustrations with closed license sales outlets/check stations, which equates to more time in the field."
 
That is my main reason for support.
I will also predict that trophies and photos will still be displayed at the check stations, hopefully minimizing their lost business.
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Postby scottflesher » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:52 pm

as good as this sounds, I think it would encourage bad behavior with those hunters who don't have a high degree of ethics.

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Postby fasteddie » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:51 pm

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as good as this sounds, I think it would encourage bad behavior with those hunters who don't have a high degree of ethics.



I agree , it's a worthless endeavor without ethics . We havn't had to go to a check station in years . I recall going to one in Avon , NY about 25 years ago and had to ask one of the Game Wardens to check my deer as it was a huge doe .
We used to have to mail in cards for any deer kills . Then they went to the phone in system which is a pain in the butt . I have had to try 3 times often to get the call to go through and get my tag registered . I wonder how many hunters say the heck with it and just quit trying so deer go without being verified . The last time I saw a Game warden at work wass when I took a deer to a processor and he was checking tags .
It's all up to the hunter to be honest !
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