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30-06verus .308&7MM-08

Postby jyeomans » Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:58 am

I am currently deer hunting with two 30-06 the 7400& the 7600.I am getting bothered by recoil& want to get something with less recoil in  bolt action & semiauto.I am looking at .308 & 7mm-08.I would like a opinion on either of these calibers. Would either be sufficient for large deer. I hunt northern Maine & Newhampshire. Thankyou John

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RE: 30-06verus .308&7MM-08

Postby blueeyeddragon76 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:11 am

both the .308 and the 7mm-08 are plenty of gun for deer, bear and pretty much anything else you can shoot up her in NH, some might say too big, but i don't think so... up here you won't find more then a 200 yard shot except in very few places so you can even use a 30-30 which is a good brush gun, personally i like a .270, but my friend uses a .303 british, and a .308... it is all personal preference.. good luck with your decision , and your season
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RE: 30-06verus .308&7MM-08

Postby mnslayer » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:41 am

jyeomans
you should find someone that owns a 750 woodsman and see if they will let you try it at the range. I currently have one and think the felt recoil is less then my 30/30 even though it is a 30-06. very smooth shooting gun and would feel like shaking hands with an old friend considering you shoot remingtons already.

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Postby fr0sty » Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:28 am

You could also try reduced recoil loads for your 06.  Remington and I believe federal make them.

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Postby shaman » Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:32 am

The first thing I can recommend is to try reloading.  Before you sink money into a new rifle, look at continuing to shoot 30-06 with a slightly reduced load.  You can knock a good deal of recoil out by reducing the load 5-8% off the MAX and suffer very little reduction in performance.  This is what got me into reloading in the first place.  For one caliber, you can easily start reloading on the cheap.  PM me if you're interested, and I'll tell you how to get set up.

Second.  Look at the fit of your rifles.  If the stocks are not fitting you correctly, you may be getting knocked around unnecessarily.  30-06 is not that much of a kicker, especially on a semi-auto like the 7400.  It may be time to visit a gunsmith and see about getting that stock adjusted a little and maybe having a pad installed.  A good recoil pad will take a lot of sharpness out of the recoil. 

Third:  What kind of load are you using?  For instance, 180 grain bullets kick a lot more than 150 grainers-- a lot more.    That's one of the tricks that these Reduced Recoil loads do. I think the Remingtons go all the way down to 130 grain.


The 308 WIN is going to kick about as much as the 30-06.  Performance of the 308 WIN is similar to the '06, but the rifle itself is usually going to be lighter by several ounces (short action vs. long action).  7mm-08 is a good choice, but there again, you're going to have a short-action receiver.  I'm not saying anything bad about either choice, just that there's offsets at play here.  The whole point is to reduce recoil. Instead of 308WIN, I'd look at 300 Savage-- very similar cartridge, but much lighter recoil than 308 WIN or '06. 

One other thing I can suggest is to add some weight to the stock.  You'd be surprised what that can do.  KYHillChick was getting thumped by her 30-06, so I added some lead bullets into the hollow plastic gunstock and it brought the recoil down tremendously.   

Before making any major moves, download a copy of POINTBLANK software (it's free) and use the recoil calculator to figure out what you've got and use it to plan on where you're going.  As a for instance, your current rifle may be putting out 20 ft lbs of recoil at around 13 ft/sec.    If you just go to a 150 grain bullet it may go down to 17 ft lbs and 11 ft/sec.  Adding a half-lb of lead to the butt stock might bring it down to 15 ft/lbs and 10 ft/sec. .  You've knocked 25% off the force of the recoil and dramatically reduced the recoil velocity and it hasn't cost you anything.
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Postby Joe G. » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:17 am

Look into either a Hogue stock, or a limbsaver recoil pad. You'll feel a WORLD of difference without having to buy a new gun, not that there is anything wrong with buying a new gun! [:D]
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RE: 30-06verus .308&7MM-08

Postby jyeomans » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:01 am

Thankyou for your advice, where can I buy a 300 savage,and what is a good manufacturer.I usually buy browning but they do not make a 300 savage. thankyou John

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RE: 30-06verus .308&7MM-08

Postby shaman » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:26 am

If I remember correctly, Savage and Remington both have models in 300 Savage. 

Of course, what you REALLY want is a Savage 99 lever in 300 Savage.  This one's been out of production for a number of years, but you can still find them.  They're awesome.
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Postby nhdeerchaser » Thu Nov 04, 2010 5:42 pm

I used to be an 06' fan, but I have recently converted to the .308.
To be honest, it was more the gun when I first started, but now I love the .308.
Less recoil, and at 100 yrds I'm shredding holes with my 7600.
What I really love, is that I can feed my 7600 cheap corelokt ammo, and she loves it!

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RE: 30-06verus .308&7MM-08

Postby Everyday Hunter » Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:33 am

Shaman's advice about reloading is good. I'm a handloader, but if it were me I wouldn't reload for just one caliber.

If you have the money for a new rifle, my advice is to get the 7mm-08. It will do everything you want it to do. I have recommended it to lots of people, and every one of them have loved it. Mine is a Remington Model 7 stainless. If I could have only one rifle, I think that would be it.

Good luck.

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