head on bow-shot

[Deebz]

right on Woods Walker...
 
and I honestly can't say it was a disappointing encounter...  There really is nothing like the feeling of being that close (she was about 10 yards) to one of God's creatures and going unnoticed

[lynn1221]

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[werner.reiche]

ORIGINAL: JPH

I will not take a head on, or quartering toward shot with archery equipment. The odds of hitting both lungs are very slim.

I took this shot once, 12 years ago, and still cringe when I think about it. It ruined my season.

Front on the odds of hitting both lungs are 0.

At best you are dealing with a single lung shot.

Wouldn't a neck/throat shot be better?

[JPH]

ORIGINAL: werner.reiche

ORIGINAL: JPH

I will not take a head on, or quartering toward shot with archery equipment. The odds of hitting both lungs are very slim.

I took this shot once, 12 years ago, and still cringe when I think about it. It ruined my season.

Front on the odds of hitting both lungs are 0.

At best you are dealing with a single lung shot.

Wouldn't a neck/throat shot be better?

I'm saying I would not take the shot at all.

[charlie 01]

[quote]ORIGINAL: werner.reiche









Front on the odds of hitting both lungs are 0.

At best you are dealing with a single lung shot.

Wouldn't a neck/throat shot be better?
 No, what you are dealing with here is a heart hit and anything else that gets in the way. And there will be a blood trail second to none, with out an exit hole. 

[Deebz]

hey Charlie,
 
How protected is the heart with a straight on angle?  I'd feel good about putting an arrow in front of the shoulder to angle across and catch heart and at least 1 lung plus arteries and such.  But if the deer is literally facing you square up, could you take the heart without having to bust through the sternum? 

[JPH]

ORIGINAL: Deebz

hey Charlie,

How protected is the heart with a straight on angle?  I'd feel good about putting an arrow in front of the shoulder to angle across and catch heart and at least 1 lung plus arteries and such.  But if the deer is literally facing you square up, could you take the heart without having to bust through the sternum? 

Wouldn't it be better to look at a deer that you have killed or at least consult an anatomy chart in order to answer this question?

[Deebz]

Hey JPH,
 
I have a pretty good idea myself. (I teach high school bio, so I've done quite a few dissections of smaller animals and such)  But I haven't killed a ton of deer.  I was just curious to see Charlie's opinion, as I'm sure he's a much more accomplished hunter than I am, and I know from his posts has seen the first-hand effects of archery equipment on a living breathing deer with shots similar to the one being discussed.  Just looking for some other opinions...

[JPH]

ORIGINAL: Deebz

Hey JPH,

I have a pretty good idea myself. (I teach high school bio, so I've done quite a few dissections of smaller animals and such)  But I haven't killed a ton of deer.  I was just curious to see Charlie's opinion, as I'm sure he's a much more accomplished hunter than I am, and I know from his posts has seen the first-hand effects of archery equipment on a living breathing deer with shots similar to the one being discussed.  Just looking for some other opinions...

 
Okay, I'll butt out.
 
But I want to offer a couple more visuals for anyone playing along at home. The first shows how the heart is protected by bone and how it is nearly impossible to take two lungs from a head-on angle. The seconed is not a whitetail skeleton but it does show how much bone protects the front end of a cervid's chest.
 
 

[Deebz]

those are cool pics man... and butt in all you want! That's the whole point of this forum, right? 
 
I know you've stuck many deer as well.  I still don't believe I'd ever take a head on shot with my bow.  Maybe if I was on the ground and the deer was so close I knew I'd have enough KE to break bone and send pieces into the vitals...  and then only maybe...